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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 02:33 PM
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Well it appears that I may have spark blow out. I removed my heat range 8's spark plugs and replacd them with 9's. I took the car around the block today and I took it up to 8K and when I shifted gear and got back into it nothing happened when I pressed on the gas. I let off shifted up and then everything was fine. This happened to me twice. I measured the 9 plugs before installing them and they apeared to be gapped at .30". I noticed when I plugged into flashpro I had a DTC for 1 & 4 misfires. I regapped the plugs down to .22" and swapped coils #1 with #2 and #4 with #3. I haven't driven the car since.

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Update 08/04/11- Guys im still having issues with my S2000 I get miss fires on ALL cylinders and I am out of ideas other then replacing coils and the battery. I have tired running 8's and 9's gapped to .020" on race fuel and I get the same thing. I have tried 8's gapped to .020" on 8lbs and 93 octane and I get the same thing. My car on has 12K miles on it and would hate to have to buy new coils. Anyways which ones are the best? Should I try a new battery first? If so which one? I even added a ground to the back of the valve cover and no luck. I adjusted the valve and all were within specs or .001" out but we adjusted them on the tighter side.

Update 08/05/11-well I had the battery tested and it came back with 340 CCA and its rated for 410 with a 12.97 Voltage reading. To me that sounds fine but all three different places said the battery is a little less then half of its state and needs replacing. Does this sound right? Should I just replace it due to my misfires?

Update 08/08/11- I replaced the battery and no difference. I took the car to a shop and put it on a dyno. Fuel pressure is 60psi base (vacuum unhooked) and ~55psi at idle. During the pull the fuel pressure climped to ~80psi at redline and 18psi. We also swapped in some RSX coils and no change. I did realize that it only misfires at higher RPM's and light throttle. The shop tired pulling 5 degrees timing in low cam and high cam light throttle and no change. He said the car pulls and feels great.

Final Update- So I did a few things and something seemed to correct the issue. First I noticed that my boost guage was showing ~19-20 psi but my datalogs only showed 13-15psi on the map sensor so I bought a new hondata 4 bar map sensor. I also found loose intake manifold bolts slightly loose. I also found tons of small boost leaks in the vacuum lines. A few things to also look into is...what are my light throttle high rpms A/F's like? mine were in the 15-16:1 area at times and Evans Tuning felt that I may have been getting DRY Miss Fires which will not cause engine failure due to there being no combustion occuring.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 04:34 PM
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What is your power and how many miles on the coils? Main reason for coils to cause spark blowout is having some with high mileage. I am making around 775 whp on e85 (takes more spark to ignite) and no issues with spark blowout, but my coils only have 15k original miles on them. I also run NGK iridium 8's gapped to .018". Get a new set of coils and gap down to around .020" and you should be fine.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Spoolin
What is your power and how many miles on the coils? Main reason for coils to cause spark blowout is having some with high mileage. I am making around 775 whp on e85 (takes more spark to ignite) and no issues with spark blowout, but my coils only have 15k original miles on them. I also run NGK iridium 8's gapped to .018". Get a new set of coils and gap down to around .020" and you should be fine.

SOS 1200 blower. 520-540whp @19psi on Sunoco 104 Race fuel. My08 only has 12K on it. I was seeing miss fires on the 8's which appeared to be gapped down to .015-.018. I swapped the 8's for 9's and left the gap @ .030 and got the above issues along with miss fire on 1 & 4. I since then gapped them down to .022" and all apears fine(hopefully).

BTW the car was tuned for 17psi with a boost leak and IAT around 180-190 degrees (done on wednesday). I since then found the boost leak so I'm seeing 19psi now and bypassed the BOV lowering my IAT to around 120 degrees. I would like to send my datalogs to Evan for a touch up but I'm still waiting for my new primary O2 sensor to come in. He said I would be fine without it but my closed loop would hurt due to it. At WOT I am seeing 11.2-11.4 A/F ratio.

Edit Spooling I have read tons of posts with you chiming in on these type of issues.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 06:26 PM
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I had spark blowout issues on my car with range 8 NGK's on meth/water. I went with a KB BAS and haven't had a problem.


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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 06:53 PM
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I've changed them out for 9's now. what all is involved in the KB BAS? any cutting into the factory wiring?
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 07:01 PM
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9's are kinda overkill for that power level. If you run too cold of a plug, it will cause misfires. I run 7's up to 600hp and 8's over that.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FullBlown
9's are kinda overkill for that power level. If you run too cold of a plug, it will cause misfires. I run 7's up to 600hp and 8's over that.
Damn lol. Isn't 7 stock heat range? And to think I thought my 8's would be to hot lol.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by camuman
Originally Posted by FullBlown' timestamp='1308625315' post='20702895
9's are kinda overkill for that power level. If you run too cold of a plug, it will cause misfires. I run 7's up to 600hp and 8's over that.
Damn lol. Isn't 7 stock heat range? And to think I thought my 8's would be to hot lol.
Alot of boosted s2ks are either on e85 or racegas. You want to run a hotter plug in these situations. I had a car on the dyno last week that made 420hp and were running the ngk 8's. These were a brand new set of plugs gapped from .030 to .020 and we still had misfires up top. I threw in a set of cheap ngk copper 7's gapped to .028 and it cleared up and made more power.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FullBlown
Originally Posted by camuman' timestamp='1308625643' post='20702917
[quote name='FullBlown' timestamp='1308625315' post='20702895']
9's are kinda overkill for that power level. If you run too cold of a plug, it will cause misfires. I run 7's up to 600hp and 8's over that.
Damn lol. Isn't 7 stock heat range? And to think I thought my 8's would be to hot lol.
Alot of boosted s2ks are either on e85 or racegas. You want to run a hotter plug in these situations. I had a car on the dyno last week that made 420hp and were running the ngk 8's. These were a brand new set of plugs gapped from .030 to .020 and we still had misfires up top. I threw in a set of cheap ngk copper 7's gapped to .028 and it cleared up and made more power.
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Cool cool. For me on pump looking for close to 500. Which copper plig do u recommend? The 7173 8 range Ngk? I have the 2668 in there now. Thanks in advance.

/ threadjack lol
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by camuman
Originally Posted by FullBlown' timestamp='1308626204' post='20702943
[quote name='camuman' timestamp='1308625643' post='20702917']
[quote name='FullBlown' timestamp='1308625315' post='20702895']
9's are kinda overkill for that power level. If you run too cold of a plug, it will cause misfires. I run 7's up to 600hp and 8's over that.
Damn lol. Isn't 7 stock heat range? And to think I thought my 8's would be to hot lol.
Alot of boosted s2ks are either on e85 or racegas. You want to run a hotter plug in these situations. I had a car on the dyno last week that made 420hp and were running the ngk 8's. These were a brand new set of plugs gapped from .030 to .020 and we still had misfires up top. I threw in a set of cheap ngk copper 7's gapped to .028 and it cleared up and made more power.
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Cool cool. For me on pump looking for close to 500. Which copper plig do u recommend? The 7173 8 range Ngk? I have the 2668 in there now. Thanks in advance.

/ threadjack lol
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I would like to know the same also...I prefer copper NGK plugs over any thing else. Also I had 8's and it appears Evan gapped them to .015-.017. He said 9's would be best. I had mis fires the next night after the tune (lowed IAT and fixed boost leak before I ever drove the car). So I bought the 9's with stock .030" gap had what I think is spark blowout. Regapped them to .022" and it appears to be fine.
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