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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dsddcd,Jan 4 2010, 04:24 PM
The big key is Velocity and Pressure. If you funnel all the exhaust through a small scroll it will have to spin the turbine faster to exit. As the back pressure builds the diverter will open then lowering the back pressure to allow easier flowing on the top end.

The only problem I see is the added restriction but if you use a T4 flange this should not be any problem.


Oh, and Rob, thanks for the idea, I like this but you are still a trader.
Yeah, I see what youre saying and I understand the concept. I just think it may not be as good on a 4 cylinder engine as apposed to a 6 or 8 cylinder because of the amounts of exhaust flow differences between the 3 but hopefully someone can prove me wrong.
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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Momentum,Jan 4 2010, 12:19 PM
looks like it spools no faster than an actual twin scroll manifold would and obviously doesn't have the top end advantages either... I can't see why anyone would waste their money... and that's based on the manufactures most likely generous dyno graphs
What evidence are you basing this off of? In theory I would think it would spool faster than a twin scroll. And how would it not have the same top end?

Not saying I know but to be honest you dont either. You are just throwing your opinion out there. Truth is, it works. It works well. How well it works on a 4cyl is unknown but Id put money up that its well worth the $500 extra it cost when you are building a setup if you can fit it.
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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dsddcd,Jan 4 2010, 01:24 PM
The big key is Velocity and Pressure. If you funnel all the exhaust through a small scroll it will have to spin the turbine faster to exit. As the back pressure builds the diverter will open then lowering the back pressure to allow easier flowing on the top end.

The only problem I see is the added restriction but if you use a T4 flange this should not be any problem.


Oh, and Rob, thanks for the idea, I like this but you are still a trader.
Why am I a trader? I still have a S2000 sitting in my driveway parked right behind my supra in the garage.

I have owned over 12 cars and im only 24 years old. I think i just like trying new things. I had 4 different turbos, two different manifolds on my s2000 in the years that I owned it and i bought it bone stock from an old guy. I always wanted a supra and the fact that Im a tech for lexus helped me in my decision to buy a hoopra.
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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 02:39 PM
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traitor, I'm just sayin'
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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarek,Jan 4 2010, 01:06 PM
So I'm currently running a GT3076. For this to work with my setup (Full Race manifold) I would have to change my (.82 AR) exhaust housing to divided housing if I wanted earlier spool but more top end? Similar to a twinscroll setup?

Do i have to replace the flange on the manifold or does this bolt on in between? I'm just worried about having loosening bolts, leaks, etc. I'd love to take advantage of this. I remember seeing this when I ordered their cutout but didn't think it can apply to me until you brought it up
Correct, you would need a twin-scroll exhaust housing (while keeping the regular flange for the Full-Race Mani). You would get quicker spool-up, but probably see the same top-end power, unless you get a housing (and turbine wheel) that has a larger A/R.

It bolts between the turbo and manifold, but that's where things might get complicated for the FR set-up.... From what I have seen, the turbo already sits fairly close to the frame/engine mount. Adding a spacer of "x" thickness may not work out too well while using that exhaust manifold, so measurements need to be taken carefully. I could see it working on a Sidewinder-style mani more easily, considering the downpipe is modified to the new position for the turbo.

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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PhantomAP1,Jan 4 2010, 04:45 PM
Correct, you would need a twin-scroll exhaust housing (while keeping the regular flange for the Full-Race Mani). You would get quicker spool-up, but probably see the same top-end power, unless you get a housing (and turbine wheel) that has a larger A/R.

It bolts between the turbo and manifold, but that's where things might get complicated for the FR set-up.... From what I have seen, the turbo already sits fairly close to the frame/engine mount. Adding a spacer of "x" thickness may not work out too well while using that exhaust manifold, so measurements need to be taken carefully. I could see it working on a Sidewinder-style mani more easily, considering the downpipe is modified to the new position for the turbo.

that's right, it already too close to the mount. I imagine the only way would be to replace my existing flange on the manifold. But that's a little more fabbing than I want, not to mention voiding the manifold warranty.


Deadzero, if you can make it work, please share.
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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sarek,Jan 4 2010, 04:50 PM
that's right, it already too close to the mount. I imagine the only way would be to replace my existing flange on the manifold. But that's a little more fabbing than I want, not to mention voiding the manifold warranty.


Deadzero, if you can make it work, please share.
dont wait for me tho, i probably wont be up and running until the end of the year.

Ill chime in tomorrow after i see what my tuner thinks about this. I would definitely like to do it too. 500 bux is worth 500rpms in spool difference
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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rob!,Jan 4 2010, 06:30 PM
Why am I a trader? I still have a S2000 sitting in my driveway parked right behind my supra in the garage.

I have owned over 12 cars and im only 24 years old. I think i just like trying new things. I had 4 different turbos, two different manifolds on my s2000 in the years that I owned it and i bought it bone stock from an old guy. I always wanted a supra and the fact that Im a tech for lexus helped me in my decision to buy a hoopra.
You should of bought another S2000 and used a twin scroll or something else newer. The only reprieve I give is if you buy A Z06, ZR1 or R8

So waht are the plans for the Supra? Built motor, TH400, Large single twin scroll......?
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 05:31 AM
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What evidence are you basing this off of? In theory I would think it would spool faster than a twin scroll. And how would it not have the same top end?

Not saying I know but to be honest you dont either. You are just throwing your opinion out there. Truth is, it works. It works well. How well it works on a 4cyl is unknown but Id put money up that its well worth the $500 extra it cost when you are building a setup if you can fit it.
A twin scroll manifold has the advantage of separating opposing exhaust pulses from adjacent cylinders resulting in no cross contamination. This also increases "scavenging". Both of these will result in quicker spool (than single scroll) and better top end. This valve obviously makes no effort to do either of those thing so you could say I "know" it won't have the same top end.

As for the spool your correct that neither of us know but it's fairly common to pick up around 500rpm of spool switching to twin scroll. That's not to say this wouldn't pick up a bit more, it might. Honestly though who in the S2000 world currently has a power band issue. I have a GT40 on mine and i could shift at 8k and still land in full boost. I'd rather have the top end.

That's ignoring the obvious restrictions of the valve and the divider in the turbo.
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Old Jan 5, 2010 | 04:07 PM
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i want this now
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