New suspension!
You know, I've been contemplating suspension for a while now...
I like the idea of the Tein EDFC, but to be honest, I would probably be just as happy finding a setting that I liked and leaving it.
In general, I wouldn't worry about manufacturing site issues (unless you're a brand or location snob, I guess) and concentrate on the construction. I think that BC is a reputable company, and it is their design and specifications that the coilovers are manufactured to. Their engineers had to sign off on the quality. I would probably look elsewhere if they were manufactured in a ex-communist, third world country (especially if their beloved leader holds the title "Generalissimo") because of the poor Q/C standards, but I think Taiwan is probably competent.
I like the idea of the Tein EDFC, but to be honest, I would probably be just as happy finding a setting that I liked and leaving it.
In general, I wouldn't worry about manufacturing site issues (unless you're a brand or location snob, I guess) and concentrate on the construction. I think that BC is a reputable company, and it is their design and specifications that the coilovers are manufactured to. Their engineers had to sign off on the quality. I would probably look elsewhere if they were manufactured in a ex-communist, third world country (especially if their beloved leader holds the title "Generalissimo") because of the poor Q/C standards, but I think Taiwan is probably competent.
I don't seem to get why people think stuff made in taiwan is a bad thing. In fact many tuning houses in Japan have their stuff made overseas (cheaper labor) and shipped back to Japan for assembly and badging. Just my 2 cents.
Originally Posted by Ro_Ja Boy,Jan 11 2005, 09:31 PM
Uhhh...are Tein even made in Japan? I have Tein springs, but I know that Tein has had a lot worse reviews of there coilovers than Buddy Club has. Congrats on the coilovers. If I were to get coilovers, I would contemplate the Buddy Clubs.
Ryan
Ryan
Originally Posted by Guedo512,Jan 11 2005, 08:42 PM
IMO, people will complain and post remarks about products either way. It's their nature. Buddyclub and Tein both are amazing, yet people complain.
Start your research here. http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1104049
Maybe now you will understand why people say bad things about them. I am sure they are great for street use. I am sure your car looks great lowered. But, don't think you have done anything to improve the performance. It just isn't the case. If you want a drop and you don't have any intention of tracking or autocrossing your car, you are just wasting money on these coilover sets. You could have bought a $250 set of lowering springs and probably had better results.
[QUOTE=GChambers,Jan 14 2005, 02:55 PM] Do you really think so? You might consider that they know a bit more about these shocks than you do. Have you had them dynoed?
Start your research here.
Start your research here.
Originally Posted by GChambers,Jan 14 2005, 10:55 AM
Do you really think so? You might consider that they know a bit more about these shocks than you do. Have you had them dynoed?
Start your research here. http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1104049
Maybe now you will understand why people say bad things about them. I am sure they are great for street use. I am sure your car looks great lowered. But, don't think you have done anything to improve the performance. It just isn't the case. If you want a drop and you don't have any intention of tracking or autocrossing your car, you are just wasting money on these coilover sets. You could have bought a $250 set of lowering springs and probably had better results.
Start your research here. http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1104049
Maybe now you will understand why people say bad things about them. I am sure they are great for street use. I am sure your car looks great lowered. But, don't think you have done anything to improve the performance. It just isn't the case. If you want a drop and you don't have any intention of tracking or autocrossing your car, you are just wasting money on these coilover sets. You could have bought a $250 set of lowering springs and probably had better results.
Whats the point of buying springs and placing them on the stock shocks. Thats a waste of cash and its the fast an easy way to lower a car. Most people that buy springs and have them placed on the stock set up dont understand that they will wear their factory parts out faster, and will soon bottom out. If your just going to buy springs, then you have to buy new shocks also. And since your spending that money already, it just pays to add a few more dollars to get coilovers.
What do you mean have the shocks dynoed? They dont add HP to a car, and for most cars they dont even improve handleing because not many owners know how to properly race their car on the track. Everyone says pay the 1800 for driving school, then buy coilovers, and their absolutely right.
Originally Posted by Guedo512,Jan 14 2005, 02:18 PM
What do you mean have the shocks dynoed? They dont add HP to a car, and for most cars they dont even improve handleing because not many owners know how to properly race their car on the track. Everyone says pay the 1800 for driving school, then buy coilovers, and their absolutely right.
You don't dyno shocks to see what their power output is. Shocks are dynoed to test how they respond to certain inputs. If you were to read that thread that I posted about the shock dyno charts, what it shows is that certain shocks respond differently to different inputs. The Koni yellow, for example, have a digressive valving. They are actually stiffer on low level inputs. What this means is that low level inputs, such as the car leaning into turns, braking, and accelerating are not going to compress the shock as much as high level inputs like bumps and potholes. This means that your car will corner a bit flatter and better while, at the same time, the shocks will be able to adequately absorb bumps and give a smooth ride. Many of the JDM coilover kits are not valved this way. The shock dyno charts will show this.
You are correct that just lowering the car with springs will wear out the stock shocks quicker. That is why I went with the Konis. I spend less than $850 on my springs and shocks, got a better ride and better handling without being height adjustable. I really have no interest in raising or lowering my car from where it is now so the height adjustment was not a consideration for me.


