Installing them wrong has nothing to do with it. If they were installed wrong, they would be noisy, and fail quickly. The reason why I didn't change back to stock gearing is because I lost interest. in the sport.

If you can find anyone who runs an S2000 with 4.77's competitively on a national level, I'll take it all back. The fact is that a stock geared S2000 can dominate in 1st and 2nd gears while a 4.77 equipped S2000 will be eating it's dust in 2nd and 3rd gears.

 

I should make a clarification to my above remarks about autocrossing. I would agree that a VERY, VERY modded S2000 (gutted, slicks, FI, etc.) might be competitive autocrossing with 4.77's, but not an NA street car with full interior.

 

What does this video have to do with anything? Is it to show what 4.77's sound like?

Here's a video of my car with 4.77's at Texas World Speedway. If you compare this to other videos from stock geared S2000's, youll see that I'm almost always 1 gear higher.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVTIKQX8FUs [/media]


Here's a video of my car with 4.77's at Motor Sports Ranch.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=743Bg3cjzEo [/media]

 

Not every body buys the gears to compete. Yet your comments refer to motorway performance, autocross performance etc.

Sadly I took the time to read all your previous posts since you the fitted the gears in your last S. I was trying to figure out why you didn't like the gears. Despite the fact you had the gears for a long time and you appeared to hate them, you never thought to swap back to stock gears choosing instead to abandon the sport all together.

I wont get into an argument with you, I just wanted to highlight that your opinion on 4.77 gears *for the street* is a minority view.

Peace

 

If you read my 1st post to the OP in this thread again, you'll see that I said that he will like them around town, and hate them on the highway, which I believe is a VERY COMMON opinion from 4.77 owners.

I didn't share any other negative opinions until the 3rd paragraph, where I said "Also, if you compete in any sort of driving events (autocross or track), you'll hate them." I think this opinion is very well founded. I wish someone had shared this with me back in '03.

 

IMO, gearing is highly overrated. 4.77s will be good for acceleration from *zero* to just about whatever speed, but as far as roll-on acceleration, autoX performance, or track performance, shorter (numerically higher) gearing doesn't necessarily benefit performance and can HURT performance as gernby says.

If you need improved acceleration from a dead stop, then yeah, gearing makes sense. Otherwise, in most cases I'd say don't bother.

 

To each their own. I love my 4.77's. Would NEVER want to go back to 4.10's. I autox my car every once in a while and I have no problem keeping up with or beating some of the STOCK geared S2000's. I'm not a total autox maniac but I do enjoy it.

On the highway I don't drive faster than 75mph and the higher revs are manageable. From a stop light to stop light perspective it's night and day compared to 4.10's. Hell from a dig I raced my buddies stock AP1 Comptech supercharged S2000 ad he didn't start pulling til mid/upper 3rd gear.

Anyway's, do your research and make a decision YOU feel is right. I have had mine for over 20K miles and I love them.

But to answer your question...you will need the Ring and pinion, install parts, shims to get them installed. Mine ran about $1200 including parts and labor. They also replaced the bearings, cleaned out the diff case and took their time with the install.

 

I could pull a spark plug out of one of the cylinders and still beat some stock S2000's. The competitive edge that you give away by going to 4.77's for an autocross is like going from 1st place to 6th place out of a group of 12 S2000's.

 

I love the 4.77's for highway. No need to downshift ever lol. It feels nice. I had mine for about a year. I removed them since I am going sc this week.
Stop light to stoplight driving is much better with them. 60mph roll starts feel like you have to shift a little too quickly sometimes though and don't go fast enough before shifting.
I wouldn't mind having them back in my car right now though haha.
I think 4.44's will be in my future.

 

stoplight driving it's 4.77s all the way, highway is a tossup, and autocrossing is a no. that's about all there is to deciding about 4.77s, just your driving habits/preferences/tradeoffs...