Definately disagree about EBC yellows being the same as stock. EBC yellows were a night and day from stock. I used stock pads for the first few track days I went to. The HPS is probably not too much different from stock...I could believe that. I used HPS on my SR20 S13 a while back with the JDM brakes...and still experienced fade.

Yellows are a track pad. HPSes are a street pad.

The stock pads faded away BAD at road america from a 130mph run down the back straight and was SCARY bad. I was trying to slow down for "canada corner", and I thought I was going to die.

I had to let the brakes cool several times during the session, which was very annoying.

The stock brakes also faded pretty bad at Autobahn CC North course. I had to let them cool down once or twice.

I went all freaking day on Gingerman, and Road America without even a hint of fade. In the summer time. I brake very late and very hard. I notice that at the point where a majority of people are braking, I'm still flooring it.

Like I said before...I only experienced fade towards the end of the pad life at Autobahn CC full course. I think this was because the pads were starting to crumble.

 

Hawk HPS = absolutely AWFUL.

I tried them once, found them to be WAY worse than stock! Upon initial installation, I noticed that the pedal was a little softer. At the track (I know, they're not track pads), they were pretty much UNUSABLE. After three sessions of having the pedal get soft after about a lap and a half, they were GONE! As in, 10% left. I threw the stockers back in and got USABLE braking back!

Could have been a bad batch, but in my one-time experience, Hawk HPS's are SIGNIFICANTLY worse than stock, street or track.

 

Hawk HPS and HP+ are garbage for any serious brake/track usage.

Project MU999 are the best i have tried so far and perfectly drivable on the street. little to no noise on the street. they are dusty though, but HP+ are worse. full track pad.

and if you're getting fade in the pedal it's your brake fluid more so than your pads.

if you're serious about the track and want to have the best track day possible then don't waste your money trying to find a street/track pad.....just step up and get a great track pad that you can drive on the street with.

btw: swapping pads take about 7 mintues for each pad....takes longer to get the lug nuts off with hand tools than to swap the pad.

also once you go with a full track pad don't forget to run some high temp brake fluid. i run motul....also you might want to think about running R comp tires with track pads....street tires won't let you take advantage of race pads....race batteries and GT Wings are required as well.

also are you sure you're just not pansy braking which can just as easily over heat your pads/fluid. i brake like i ride my GF...on hard...off fast....if she's lucky i do a little trail brake when i come in too hot.

lol

well time to go have my after work friday beer

 

[QUOTE=AnthonyD1978,May 29 2009, 04:10 PM] Hawk HPS and HP+ are garbage for any serious brake/track usage.

Project MU999 are the best i have tried so far and perfectly drivable on the street. little to no noise on the street. they are dusty though, but HP+ are worse. full track pad.

and if you're getting fade in the pedal it's your brake fluid more so than your pads.

if you're serious about the track and want to have the best track day possible then don't waste your money trying to find a street/track pad.....just step up and get a great track pad that you can drive on the street with.

btw: swapping pads take about 7 mintues for each pad....takes longer to get the lug nuts off with hand tools than to swap the pad.

also once you go with a full track pad don't forget to run some high temp brake fluid. i run motul....also you might want to think about running R comp tires with track pads....street tires won't let you take advantage of race pads....race batteries and GT Wings are required as well.

also are you sure you're just not pansy braking which can just as easily over heat your pads/fluid. i brake like i ride my GF...on hard...off fast....if she's lucky i do a little trail brake when i come in too hot.

lol

 

Currently i'm running oem brake fluid, which i figure is part of the problem. My car is still a baby (11k miles), have not changed the brake fluid yet.

I plan on running motul RBF600

 

Let me rephrase my original statement. I'm not so much looking for an intermediate pad. I am looking for a track pad that is also bearable for street driving.

 

I'd go Carbotech XP8's. They're great at the track, and just fine on the street after being "broken in" at the track. Before I got them to the track they made some noise. I've driven on them for months at a time, not a problem. Dusting is moderate, and it cleans up relatively easily.

 

Not necessarily. When I was getting a soft/long pedal at the track with the HPS's, first I re-bled (which I never have to do) and got exactly the same deal. The pedal got soft after about a lap. I was having to downshift early to help get the car whoa'd. Then when I swapped the stock pads back in, without re-bleeding, the pedal came back.

If the pads are crappy enough, you can get a soft pedal. The same thing has happened to me with cheap-o parts store pads I was forced to use once.

 

Might have been a combo of both for you.

Pedal fade = fluid

No pedal fade, but less stopping power = smelly over heated pads.

No need to bleed brakes each time you swap pads. I do it once a year with motul RBF. My buddies and I have gone through many brands of track pads. Like I said the best pads we have found for track use are MU999's. As a SIDE benefit they are also the most streetable of track pads. Also the most expensive. I recommend evasive motorsports. They stock them and use them on their time attack cars.

 

In theory pedal fade should be the fluid. But the HPS pads gave a noticeably softer pedal from the instant I installed them, with brake fluid at room temp. On the track, the pedal went way softer very quickly.

I've bled brakes and swapped pads a gazillion times, and I'm *telling* you that in this instance with the HPS's, and one other instance years ago with cheap-o parts store pads, I got a long/soft pedal due to the pads and not the fluid.

Like I said above, once I swapped the stock pads back in, with the same fluid, the pedal feel was FINE.