Let me preface: Yes I searched

Has anyone one any back to back testing with the hondata FlashPro? I've found one tuning thread but am looking for some more results to compare. Tuned/untuned I don't really care. Im trying to decide between the FlashPro and the newer hypertech unit

thanks for the help

 

https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=779780

go in N/A forums

 

^ Actually, ask in "S2000 Engine Management by Hondata": https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?act=SF&f=231

 

What kind of magic results are you expecting to see from "back to back" testing? A flashpro is going to give the same results as any other tuning device that allows the same adjustability. The tunes should be just as good as an AEM EMS, a Kpro, a properly configured emanage ultimate, etc.....

 

Im not looking for "magic results" nor am I looking for certain figures, I dont care about the result numbers at all.

What I am looking for is the comparison between before and after. Whether its a stock car or full bolt ons, I just want to see the comparison. I want to see this to look at the differences between the FlashPro and the Hypertech unit though I am almost set on going with the FlashPro.

It is also very advantageous to see what people are making on various set ups (this is more overall and can be found without looking at FlashPro specific results, but finding dyno numbers is somewhat tough to do), and how their cars responded to the FlashPro. This is also two fold in that I am curious to see how the cars respond to the off the self maps and the costumed tuned maps depending on how they achieved their results.

Furthermore, these results will lead me to a tuner to tune my car, which is another piece of the puzzle.

So yes, you could say that back to back results don't mean anything, or you could say they mean everything when used as a small piece to a larger picture.

 

I don't think you understand what's going on. There's nothing to measure between units other than their capabilities, and how they go about doing it software wise.

If you take the same car, and put in the same amount of fuel in the table and the same amount of ignition in the table you're going to have the same exact result. Simply plugging it in doesn't do anything, so there's no way to measure their effectiveness in a comparison. If you can tune you can tune, learning the software and quirks is a whole other story. Some tuners know AEM EMS like the back of their hand, and might stumble around another software and vice versa.

That being said; Hondata has been, and is the best honda-only solution. Since the honda aftermarket has such a large following, it only makes sense that many tuners are versed in hondatas software, much as many are versed in AEM since it offers such a wide range. I can't speak for hypertech.

 

i have it and it def made a difference!!!!

 

What results are you looking for? The things you're asking for, as far as I understand, incorporate too many variables to determine what is the better product. The skill of the operator will dominate the results if you have it dyno tuned. If you don't have it dyno tuned, you probably don't have dyno results either.

The base tunes from hondata give you around 20 hp and 20 ft-lbs in a narrow window around 5.5k on a stock S2000. By increasing the redline together with the torque produced by lowering VTEC engagement, you will notice a significant improvement in usable power on the street or in auto-x. Hondata's default part throttle tuning is ok--somewhat overconservative, but that's better than erring in the other direction. You can dial it in with no experience if you're interested, reasonably smart, and willing to invest time in it. If not, you can pay someone to do it for you using a dyno or even through the internet.

I couldn't find all the details on the capabilities of the hypertech unit from their website. The hypertech unit is cheaper, and it appears to do all the core functions you're after.

In addition to what's readily listed on their website, the FlashPro lets you do things like view knock data, adjust individual cylinder trim (fuel and ign), change idle parameters, perform temperature compensation (several types), add launch rev limits, adjust the speedometer calibration, and other things. It also makes mediocre suggestions to help you tune your A/F ratios on the street.

Another thing to consider is the user community. If the hypertech unit has a large community, that can be a benefit. If there isn't one, that can make it harder for you to get help if you and/or your tuner run into issues.

 

I'm using the flashpro, and am in the middle of completing my WOT tune. It's an amazing unit with the amount of data that it collects and is easy to access. I wish the software was a little more... 2010'ish. At least in the way you watch your data logs.

My favorite part is how customizeable it is with the graphs. It really allows you to dial into different things that effect eachother, and not just seperate factors (4 on the same graph). I.e. one of my favorite graphs to watch that I made was RPM vs Ignition vs Knock vs AFR, also RPM vs AFR vs Duty cycle vs Ignition. It gives you a great ability to fine tune each area, then get into the very fine/small details where you can really see where you could say squeeze out a little more ignition, or where you might need to pull back a smidge. Also the ability to tune each cylinder seperately as all of our engines might have their own weird tendencies is awesome.

Also if you're just looking to do a decent tune, WOT suggested/auto changes does a pretty good job at getting you around the areas you want to be at. Then again you could just go with a present calibrations and enjoy the gains.

At 700$ it's an amazing buy

 

Here's a question? Would it be beneficial to lower the vtec engagement(and by how much) if I still have the stock header? Current Mods are CAI, 70mm TP, Greddy SE dual exhaust.

Sorry for the minor hijack...