Help With Alignment Specs
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Originally Posted by AlexS2200,Jul 17 2009, 10:57 AM
I suggest you go out and get an alignment and test multiple specs. There is no universal spec for running non-staggered. Driver preference and driving style have a lot to do with how a car is setup to drive. Some like more camber, some like less and so on and so forth. I think you should hop in the car and find out what works for you. 
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Originally Posted by viper_driver,Jul 14 2009, 04:28 PM
UK spec has LESS rear toe in than us. Something about US not being able to handle the oversteer nature of the UK spec. We tend to sue too much over everything....actually I buy that explanation.
Anyway, I was getting <10K from my rear tires with US spec over 3 tire changes. Swapped to UK spec and my rears have over 20K now and still look good. Same exact tires and no other changes but the alignment. Tires are Falken Azenis ST115s.
In my 'own car tested' opinion, UK spec is more oversteer happy, and wears tires less. In the words of a smarter man than I, "camber doesn't wear tires, toe does."
I LOVE the UK spec. I wouldn't go back for anything.
Ballz, I think you do want a little rear toe in. I wouldn't go to zero, but I'm not a professional either. In my case, it's a little bit of a toss up over camber and toe. My car is lowered so I don't have all the adjustment both directions....I'm sure everyone else lowered has the same issues.
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Anyway, I was getting <10K from my rear tires with US spec over 3 tire changes. Swapped to UK spec and my rears have over 20K now and still look good. Same exact tires and no other changes but the alignment. Tires are Falken Azenis ST115s.
In my 'own car tested' opinion, UK spec is more oversteer happy, and wears tires less. In the words of a smarter man than I, "camber doesn't wear tires, toe does."
I LOVE the UK spec. I wouldn't go back for anything.
Ballz, I think you do want a little rear toe in. I wouldn't go to zero, but I'm not a professional either. In my case, it's a little bit of a toss up over camber and toe. My car is lowered so I don't have all the adjustment both directions....I'm sure everyone else lowered has the same issues.
Jason
so converting the rear toe in of 0.4' = 0.66 degrees.
this is actually MORE rear toe in, not less, which should result in less oversteer.
the reason the US did not want to adopt the UK spec was due to excessive tire wear from the increased toe in.
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Tekstar, you're right about minutes vs degrees, I couldn't read my sharpie scribbled alignment notes....I had to go back to the source document I used when aligning.
For my 2001, per the factory Honda 'Steering/ Suspension bulletin' published Jan 2, 2002:
The US rear toe is: 1 deg total
The UK rear toe is: .66 deg total
My car had just more than 1 deg rear toe in when I started and I changed it to UK .66
I still say UK has less rear toe in than US. at least for early AP1 00-01 cars, I have no idea about later cars.
link: https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?act=m...image&img=12060
Jason
For my 2001, per the factory Honda 'Steering/ Suspension bulletin' published Jan 2, 2002:
The US rear toe is: 1 deg total
The UK rear toe is: .66 deg total
My car had just more than 1 deg rear toe in when I started and I changed it to UK .66
I still say UK has less rear toe in than US. at least for early AP1 00-01 cars, I have no idea about later cars.
link: https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?act=m...image&img=12060
Jason
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