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Old Oct 13, 2002 | 02:37 PM
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You guys were NOT joking a bit when you said this car oversteers....lord!!!

I could not keep the rear from going all over the place but had an absolute blast on the first autox on my new S2K. By all means, the S02's are pretty lame tirs and I will be ordering some Kumho's to mount on the spare set I have.

I have read lots of posts about sway bars and different kinds. So, that being said, which is the "best" sway bar or "thickest" to get to alleviate most of the oversteer in the car? Where can I get one and how much would I be spending. Thanks !!!

Angel
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Old Oct 13, 2002 | 03:45 PM
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Angel - Kumho victoracers or Toyo RA1's will work for the track. This week sometime, I should be offering up Toyos and Hoosiers on IDi's site as well if you are interested.

With a bigger bar, you'll settle the rear down and it will give a heavier steering response - which I love.

The bars:
-- Comptech front and rear non-adjustable kit (use front, discard rear)
-- Comptech front adjustable bar
-- Spoon - smaller than stock, but no idea on sidewall thickness
-- Bill Gendron front adjustable swaybar
-- Tanabe - thicker than stock but not thick enough IMO.
-- Mugen - seriously backordered.

Send me a PM or give me a ring if you have specific questions on these. I've dealt with most of these and can help you out with prices, etc.
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Old Oct 13, 2002 | 04:58 PM
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Angel,
For the most part, the S2000 handles in a pretty neutral fashion in stock form on S-02s. Check out your alignment and tire pressures. If they're okay and you're still finding excessive oversteer, odds are it has to do with your driving style, which is an adjustment you're going to have to make. In going to 225/245 Kumhos, you're going to balance the car even more towards oversteer. Be ready for that!

At this point the market in decent front S2000 swaybars is seriously lacking. The Gendron bar is the only one I'd recommend. The adjustable Comptech bars were cool in theory but have been more breakable than graham crackers in practice. Every other bar just isn't "enough" for serious autocross use.

In response to your PM, lately I've been using a prototype Comptech nonadjustable bar that never went into production. It works great on asphalt. When the kind fellow who lent it to me wants it back, I'll probably end up having to go with a Gendron-style bar.

As an aside, I've heard of at least 4 or 5 other persons or shops working on "vaporbars" that may or may not ever make it to production. Many of them are promised to have the mythical "blade" adjusters everyone wants, though hardly anyone seems to know how a real blade-adjustable bar works or why they would even want one in the first place.

Good luck with your setup!
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Old Oct 13, 2002 | 07:13 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jzr
[B]Angel,
For the most part, the S2000 handles in a pretty neutral fashion in stock form on S-02s.
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Old Oct 13, 2002 | 07:44 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Z06-KILLR
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Neutral? ....Thanks for the tip on the alignment.
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Old Oct 13, 2002 | 08:30 PM
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Angel, i don't Know how far off you are on your sway bar purchase But I've heard that a 225/265 kumho combo will solve the oversteer and need of a front sway bar for the time being.

Now I keep hearing about this Gendron Bar but in my limited shopping around I'm yet to see who sells it. Would someone Mind pointing me in that direction.
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Old Oct 13, 2002 | 09:00 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Z06-KILLR
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Neutral? ....Thanks for the tip on the alignment.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mrsideways
[B]Angel, i don't Know how far off you are on your sway bar purchase But I've heard that a 225/265 kumho combo will solve the oversteer and need of a front sway bar for the time being.

Now I keep hearing about this Gendron
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Old Oct 14, 2002 | 05:59 AM
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Oh hummm, I was under the impression you could run any size tire you could get on the stock wheel size.
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Old Oct 14, 2002 | 06:05 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jzr
[B]There's a good thread in "Under the Hood" - Post Your Alignment.
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