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Old Dec 20, 2010 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by GT Motoring,Dec 20 2010, 11:41 AM
haha, yea. I did think that it may look odd that i posted in this.... Its all in my master plan that you all now NEED my roof..... muhahahahah!

I wish i was that smart to have thought of that...
can u make a cheap OEM knockoff out of something?


I emailed the director about mugen sounds like the best he will do is give it points so at least people who have it can run.
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Old Dec 20, 2010 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by dan_uk,Dec 20 2010, 12:05 PM
can u make a cheap OEM knockoff out of something?


I emailed the director about mugen sounds like the best he will do is give it points so at least people who have it can run.
maybe like recycled paper like egg cartons? beyond that, even in FRP, we make the roofs by vacuum infusion, and in the USA, so pricing wont be chinese cheap mugen replica price no matter how hard i try with our methods.

Used OEM roofs seem to be around 2k price ready to install no?
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Old Dec 20, 2010 | 12:45 PM
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Greg (GT Motoring), the other day I was looking for your thread from a while back about the lexan rear for the OEM. I thought someone there already asked you to just make the top too but out of FRP.

Let's see what NASA has to say about how many points the top is worth.
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Old Dec 20, 2010 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Liquidsation,Dec 20 2010, 01:45 PM
Greg, the other day I was looking for your thread from a while back about the lexan rear for the OEM. I thought someone there already asked you to just make the top too but out of FRP.

Let's see what NASA has to say about how many points the top is worth.
We CAN make it out of FRP. It saves a a little on labor time since we dont have to make the weave look nice, but other than the material cost difference, all the other labor costs for lay up are the same. We still use vacuum infusion on FRP parts. I'd be glad to make some in FRP, just afraid the cost benefit when compared to new/used OEM roofs that are painted already didnt look beneficial.
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Old Dec 20, 2010 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dan_uk,Dec 20 2010, 03:05 PM
can u make a cheap OEM knockoff out of something?


I emailed the director about mugen sounds like the best he will do is give it points so at least people who have it can run.
If this happens, I will protest it. And I'm not even driving next year.

I can see the Spoon or Spoon-style thing, however, ZERO thought was given to the banning of non-oem tops. Complete stupidity, and I am not concerned with Greg seeing this.

Fact: Convertibles are classed just as other cars are.
Fact: Convertibles must run top down here in the Mid-A
Fact: A hardtop may be added at no add'l points

WTF? So running a brick of a car like the S2000 topdown is the same as running the same brick with an oem hardtop? Yeah... they're the same. The difference between running top down and running a hardtop is greater than running an OEM top and a Spoon one.

But instead of assessing points, let's not put any thought into it. Let's just ban other tops. Pathetic. Do like Honda Challenge did at least. They handicapped the S2000 almost to the point where few participate in the series because the rules. Time has lessened the disparity between the S2000 and other body/motor combos because time has shown the inequality.

My suggestion: do the same with the hardtop. Assess the piss out of it initially and lessen the severity as conditions permit. Banning is NOT the answer.

Add'lly, +10 pts was mentioned by Greg in the NASA thread. Really? A Spoon-style hardtop is that much superior to the OEM style that it warrants the same penalty as a Hoosier R6 over a street tire? Really? Does that make sense to everyone? Anyone? Having run the oem top and the Shine-craft one and having run RE-01R's and R6's, I can tell you without a doubt that the realized difference between the two scenarios isn't even effin close.

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Old Dec 20, 2010 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Liquidsation,Dec 20 2010, 04:45 PM
Greg, the other day I was looking for your thread from a while back about the lexan rear for the OEM. I thought someone there already asked you to just make the top too but out of FRP.

Let's see what NASA has to say about how many points the top is worth.
Rob, where did you see Greg entertaining points for the Mugen -style tops?
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Old Dec 20, 2010 | 01:22 PM
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PS. My Shinecraft top was 14lbs fully assembled, thereby making IT the lightest top for the S2000.

The greatest advantage of the Shinecraft top is weight reduction in both total weight and weight distribution, not aero.
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Old Dec 20, 2010 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FF2Skip,Dec 20 2010, 02:17 PM
Rob, where did you see Greg entertaining points for the Mugen -style tops?
I think he means greg GTR motoring not the TT guy...

I can't see how the mugen top would help more than removing the wipers and mirrors

I wanted to get the top for weight realy but I guess I'll have to find something else to pull out.. $2500 for 25lbs is not a good trade


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Old Dec 20, 2010 | 02:21 PM
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btw I think honda challenge is gonna allow the mugen style top now and the s2000 in H2
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Old Dec 20, 2010 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FF2Skip,Dec 20 2010, 02:22 PM
PS. My Shinecraft top was 14lbs fully assembled, thereby making IT the lightest top for the S2000.

The greatest advantage of the Shinecraft top is weight reduction in both total weight and weight distribution, not aero.
We musta got a different formular here.... lol Nicks was way more than 14 lbs. I have seen their stuff come in different variations. I have 5 hoods from the, each one prolly has a lound or 2 difference from the next. lol


I'm going to make one special for my time attack car thats so light it will double as a tissue. haha
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