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Old Feb 5, 2012 | 10:56 AM
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Painted! Krylon on the main floor pan and sheet metal because it was cheap and easy. For the bars I decided that spray paint would be too soft and would scratch up. Most people would probably do an automotive paint here, but I decided to experiment. I used a product that is intended for doing truck bedliners, Monstaliner. By thinning it out with some MEK, I was able to get it to go on in a reasonably thin layer. Unfortunately, the smoothness of the finish didn't turn out as pretty as auto paint would have, however I think it was worth it because this stuff should be tough as nails!

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Old Feb 5, 2012 | 11:35 AM
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Speed, I don't see a rear diagonal brace. Is it just out of the picture or did you leave it out? If you don't have one I highly, highly recommend adding at least the one diagonal, if not the x-brace as suggested above.
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Old Feb 5, 2012 | 08:51 PM
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Nope, there will be no rear diagonal brace. I do not believe it is necessary and the added strength it would give isn't worth its weight. The diagonal brace in the main hoop prevents the cage from parallelagramming, and the angle the rear supports are at also add a component for the same purpose. A cage only needs to be strong enough to not collapse in a rollover, anything more than that is either just dead weight you carry around, or for show.
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by speedengineer
Nope, there will be no rear diagonal brace. I do not believe it is necessary and the added strength it would give isn't worth its weight. The diagonal brace in the main hoop prevents the cage from parallelagramming, and the angle the rear supports are at also add a component for the same purpose. A cage only needs to be strong enough to not collapse in a rollover, anything more than that is either just dead weight you carry around, or for show.

I disagree. The stiffer the car is, the more accurately you can tune the handling with parts that are supposed to move. It's all about providing a load path for the deflection - that's why it's best to terminate bars/diagonals at the same spot.

My car isn't ideal in this regard either - it's tough to fit everything in an S2k because the cockpit is cramped. However, now I know what I would do differently next time.
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by krazik
Originally Posted by robrob' timestamp='1324294006' post='21247434
Unfortunately his cage is not like yours. notice how the diagonals all meet at 1 place on yours. I understand they're probably trying to make more room for his seat, but the pics the op posted the diagonal in the main hoop won't likely meet up with the diagonal running back (unless they're doing an odd design for them too).


Originally Posted by speedengineer
Just a quick update and cell phone pic.

Still need to finish the passenger side door bars, the verticals between the driver's side nascar bars, the foot protection bars, and gussets where the forward bars attach to the main hoop.

Trying do decide if I want to do gussets between the forward bars and the windshield crossbar. Not sure yet... Opinions?



Krazik assumed you were going to add a rear diagonal too. With your one and only diagonal not meeting the rear support you really need at least one rear diagonal. The cage as shown in this picture may not pass tech, is the top of the diagonal within 12 inches of the corner?

[NASA CCR]15.6.7 Diagonal Brace
One (1) diagonal brace shall be used in the same plane as the main hoop. The diagonal should be one continuous path; meaning that it must conform to Diagrams 15.6.7a or 15.6.7b. Note- If the installation method from Diagram 15.6.7b is used, the builder should pay close attention to alignment. One end of the diagonal brace shall attach to the corner, or horizontal part, of the main hoop above the driver‟s head, within twelve (12) inches of the driver‟s-side corner. The other end of the diagonal brace shall attach to the mounting plate (or to the main hoop as close to the mounting plate as practically possible) diagonally opposed to the driver‟s head (passenger floor).

I think you're being pound foolish by cutting weight in a diagonal that is sorely needed. The good news is it will be easy to add later.
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 01:36 PM
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It's only 10 inches from the corner, it will pass tech easily.

The argument about the added rigidity is moot - the car drove fine without a cage, and now with a cage (even without a rear diagonal) it will be far stiffer that it was before. A rear brace would only make it a little bit stiffer in the grand scheme of things.

Many race cars out their don't run with a rear diagonal, and in most cases their interiors are much larger than an s2k's, meaning the sections of tube are much longer in length between joints. If they don't buckle in these situations, I don't think they're likely to on an S2000 where the tube lengths are shorter. Has anyone ever heard of a decently built S2000 cage buckling in a rollover?

Now, not doing a safety mod 'just because it isn't in the rules' is NOT a good reason for leaving it out. However, you would think that if there really were a safety concern here, then the racing organizations would make it a required bar. Neither NASA nor SCCA require it. In fact, if I recall correctly, SCCA only requires your main-hoop diagonal to span half the width of the main hoop! Now that's getting a little bit sketchy...
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