just curious if anyone with ap1, preferably stock suspension (springs and shocks)...alleviated the oversteer/snap oversteer issue with only a front sway bar upgrade.

with an upgraded front sway bar, is it sufficient, or is a rear bumpsteer kit still recommended to be used in conjunction with an upgraded front sway bar?

i would prefer only the front sway bar, as both front sway and rear bumpsteer kit could be too much understeer...

thoughts?

 

My first questions would be:

Where in the corner does this oversteer happen?

What are your hands and feet doing to induce this oversteer.

What has the driver done to conclude it's the car's chassis that causes this oversteer instead of a driver induced oversteer

 

I think this is more of an issue with 00, 01 AP1's? I have an 02 AP1 and don't have this issue.

Granted I'm not on the track at the limited but I have gone around 90 turns and the rear end came out because off the off camber road, a simple correct in the steering was all that was needed.

 

My '01 has no real issues with "snap oversteer" that aren't the direct cause of my right foot pulling off the gas mid-turn.

A front sway bar may help some, but not a lot.

 

a car just sits there without a driver...

so yes, the car's actions are driver induced.

the rear-end is unstable, in my opinion.

most people with ap1, according to posts i've read, use a rear bumpsteer kit...for example krazik and many others. most people that track also use an upgraded front sway bar.

my question is...any thoughts on just running an upgraded front sway bar WITHOUT a rear bumpsteer kit.

 

Why would you take away front grip when you're complaining about lack of rear grip.

 

i don't follow your logic....?

 

^ You wrote that above.

So accordiing to this, you want more rear end grip.

My question for you was why are you planning to take away front end grip by adding a thicker front bar when all you're looking for is adding more rear end grip?

Didn't mean to be confusing, my bad.

 

Assuming a track is smoother than the streets the S2000 was designed to run on, a front bar adds more overall grip while moving the bias of that grip to the rear.

So a front bar does not take away front grip, it adds rear grip.

That said, a bar makes a much bigger difference in steady state than transients, so I don't think it would fix a snap oversteer problem. You'd have to tell us exactly where and how that's happening like Borbor asked, but serious snap oversteer is most likely a driver induced problem.

 

That's a great point you raised. But in such cases, I'd assume the car would fall away gradually, instead of snapping away from the driver? Or am I talking about of my ass again