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Old Jan 24, 2016 | 12:40 PM
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My favorite tranny would an AP2, with an AP1 secondary gear. That way I'd get the supposed higher durability of sychros of the AP2, with the gearing of the AP1...but most importantly a taller 6th gear for freeway driving!!
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Old Jan 24, 2016 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by davidc1
My favorite tranny would an AP2, with an AP1 secondary gear. That way I'd get the supposed higher durability of sychros of the AP2, with the gearing of the AP1...but most importantly a taller 6th gear for freeway driving!!
The 5th gear is taller also.

At my local road course, the ap1 trans has a better spread for me. But I would enjoy having a lower cruising gear for the freeway. Ive run both transmissions in my car, and have to say overall the ap1 trans is better overall when coupled with an F22. Just a better/wider mph spread.
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Old Jan 24, 2016 | 02:24 PM
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i found the best vids i could that would show shifting through out the track. the ap1 is a gutted track car vs a regular ap2 but it gives you a idea.
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ap1 but having cutting out issues
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Old Jan 24, 2016 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by S2000_916
i found the best vids i could that would show shifting through out the track. the ap1 is a gutted track car vs a regular ap2 but it gives you a idea.
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ap1 but having cutting out issues
I think i counted 9 shifts in your ap1, and 13 shifts in your ap2. But, in the ap2, i think there was a shift you misjudged where you downshifted to 2nd, but immediately upshifted to 3rd again. So, considering that, 11 shifts for the Ap2
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Old Jan 24, 2016 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by davidc1
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i found the best vids i could that would show shifting through out the track. the ap1 is a gutted track car vs a regular ap2 but it gives you a idea.
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ap1 but having cutting out issues
I think i counted 9 shifts in your ap1, and 13 shifts in your ap2. But, in the ap2, i think there was a shift you misjudged where you downshifted to 2nd, but immediately upshifted to 3rd again. So, considering that, 11 shifts for the Ap2
both those guys are not me, just the best vids i could find to show track and shifting. i never thought of just counting shifts. i got 9 shifts for ap1 but 13 shifts for ap2 even with cutting the guy a break for the misshift. so 9 vs 13. but i also think one of the sharp turns the ap1 should have dropped to 2nd , so that makes it even closer.
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Old Jan 24, 2016 | 04:35 PM
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Yes, counting the shifts is the best way to do it. Every shift costs time, especially up shifts. The less the better. Especially, if you have to upshift just before the end of the straightaway because you are at redline. All other factors being equal, the guy in the ap1 would be about four tenths quicker, if every shift, cost one tenth of a second.
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Old Jan 24, 2016 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by davidc1
Yes, counting the shifts is the best way to do it. Every shift costs time, especially up shifts. The less the better. Especially, if you have to upshift just before the end of the straightaway because you are at redline. All other factors being equal, the guy in the ap1 would be about four tenths quicker, if every shift, cost one tenth of a second.
good point! up shift cost time and down shift not as important because we are braking. interesting
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 06:02 AM
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I hate my AP2 gearing. Shifting into 6th gear sucks.
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by davidc1
Yes, counting the shifts is the best way to do it. Every shift costs time, especially up shifts. The less the better. Especially, if you have to upshift just before the end of the straightaway because you are at redline. All other factors being equal, the guy in the ap1 would be about four tenths quicker, if every shift, cost one tenth of a second.
so i counted the shifts like you for the ap2. straights where the ap2 would get to 5th then take the turn in 3rd i would count that as one shift. my buddy with the ap2 counts that as two since he rev matches 5th to 4th and then 3rd. so basically as more of a disadvantage. whats your thoughts on this?
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by S2000_916
so i counted the shifts like you for the ap2. straights where the ap2 would get to 5th then take the turn in 3rd i would count that as one shift. my buddy with the ap2 counts that as two since he rev matches 5th to 4th and then 3rd. so basically as more of a disadvantage. whats your thoughts on this?
Downshifts don't count. They don't hurt or cost you any time as you are decelerating not accelerating. Only count upshifts.
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