I asked this question on another forum, but in retrospect this may be a better place.

How many ap1 guys track regularly without an adjustable rear toe link or BSK?

Is the back end out of control stock?

 

loose yes, controllable, yes.

 

Once upon a time, back when there were no bumpsteer kits, and the AP2 was just a gleam in a Honda engineer's eye, we tracked our AP1s anyway and liked them just fine.

Rare pre-bumpsteer kit Best Motoring cameo in R&C!

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx_TecmQHoM [/media]

If you watch carefully, you'll notice that he makes it all the way around the track without crashing. Seriously, the S2000's reputation for being an uncontrollable beast is exaggerated.

 

every ap1 out there that has ever gone to the track without a bumpsteer kit in the rear has crashed.

100% fact.


(sorry im just being sarcastic...)

 

 

It's not that big a deal, particularly if you have track experience. Basically, the car behaves kinda nonlinearly, you get this initial oversteer lurch, followed by neutrality. You just need to be gentle with initial turn-in input at the wheel, and for God's sake if it starts to feel squirrelly don't give it the BIG LIFT off the gas! (decel => unload rears + outside rear toes OUT => smallish manageable oversteer becomes huge spin)

 

hmm... Me too. I don't have a bump steer kit and I seem to manage alright.

 

 

I know you're trying to make a funny, but the original poster asked a legitimate question, and you're just confusing things.

turbo8765, ZDan's advice is spot on. The S2000's by no means uncontrollable, but it can be a definite handful if you don't have experience in cars with significant lift-throttle oversteer, and/or if your car's set up to be loose (e.g. not enough tire stagger on an otherwise stock setup). Just work your way up to the limit gradually (preferably at an autocross), and be careful about lifting in mid-corner.

 

AP1 no bumpsteer adjustability here. been tracking it for 4 years. never been off the track once. It likes to slide, but it's always controllable. Be man, deal with it

I've listened to ap1 owners complain about how unctrollable the rear end is....It really isn't the case. I've found this car to be very neutral in comparison to high HP rear wheel drive cars.. for example.....

my '65 mustang fastback is kickin 361rwhp and 344rw-tq in N/A form with a 2,713lb curb weight. Talk about the rear walking on you....My Ap1 doesn't slide in the rear at all COMPARED to the fastback...

You just need to learn how to manage the rear hanging out on you. Once you learn to control it, it ain so bad.