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Old May 3, 2013 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by robrob
Originally Posted by s2000Junky' timestamp='1367550914' post='22516173
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Junky, I know you're talking about left-to-right weight but just to clarify any change in cross weights between driver/no driver is caused by suspension binding when you get in the car--adding driver weight does not change the diagonal corner balance.
My corner weight as is with me out of car

LF 742 - 682 RF

LR 666 - 702 RF

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With me in the car the LF goes to 900 and the remaining to LR, I forget how much if any was distributed to the other side of the car, but not really important. Point is its pretty out of wack with me in the car at driver side front. It was recommended that I raise the LR approx 1/4" to better distribute that 900 to the rest of the car. Does that sound about right in your opinion? I've got my alignment really dialed in now and susp height is even all the way around with me in it, so I hate to mess with ride height on that corner, and risk messing this up, but I'm considering it if Its possible to get that balance evenly distributed with me in the car, hence the question I asked, if that was with or without driver since its so even corner to corner.
Are you sure you were on a flat surface during the corner balance? If yes then yea, about a 1/4 inch of wheel movement would be a good start. That's equal to 2 turns of the perch collar. If you want to raise the rear ride height a little then add two turns to the left rear. If you want to lower the rear a little remove two turns from the right rear.
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Yes I would assume so, it was done on the alignment rack. Due to upsetting the current ride height and alignment, seems like if I split it 1/8" per side ie; raised at LR and lower at RR, that would achieve the weight goal, but minimize the counter alignment/height effects? Thanks for your feedback Rob.
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Old May 4, 2013 | 02:13 AM
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You also have the option of doing 1/2 turn on all 4 shocks but your plan of 1 turn per rear shock perch adjustment should work fine.
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Old May 4, 2013 | 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by s2000Junky
My corner weight as is with me out of car

LF 742 - 682 RF

LR 666 - 702 RF

2790

With me in the car the LF goes to 900 and the remaining to LR,
No freaking way if you're 200 lb. that your front left weight should go from 742 to 900 lb., not even CLOSE! If you're 200 lb., your sitting in the car shouldn't add more than ~55 lb. to the left front (~2/3 of your weight adds to the left side, ~40% to the front). Something else is going on here...
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Old May 4, 2013 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by robrob
You also have the option of doing 1/2 turn on all 4 shocks but your plan of 1 turn per rear shock perch adjustment should work fine.
I see, well I like the idea of spreading that out between all four corners obviously. May do that. Thanks
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Old May 4, 2013 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ZDan
Originally Posted by s2000Junky' timestamp='1367550914' post='22516173
My corner weight as is with me out of car

LF 742 - 682 RF

LR 666 - 702 RF

2790

With me in the car the LF goes to 900 and the remaining to LR,
No freaking way if you're 200 lb. that your front left weight should go from 742 to 900 lb., not even CLOSE! If you're 200 lb., your sitting in the car shouldn't add more than ~55 lb. to the left front (~2/3 of your weight adds to the left side, ~40% to the front). Something else is going on here...
Scale doesn't lie. Went to 900 on the nose

Maybe I'm getting some inconsistent stiction in the bushings, they do have some mileage on them. The interesting thing though is that I actually have the front springs pre loaded a bit and none in back ( same weight springs) I would think that would help isolate some of my weight to more of the rear since there would be more squat with a 50/50 distribution. Apparently the driver weight runs heavy up front on the S2000.
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Old May 4, 2013 | 06:00 PM
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I don't see how! Looking at my FD RX-7 cornerweights, 60% of driver weight is on the rear wheels. S2000 should even put a bit more of the driver's weight on the rears, as the RX-7 has room for tiny +2 jump seats behind the front seats, where with the S2000 the seats are shoved back as far as possible relative to the rear wheels.

Your 200 lb. in the car *should* add roughly 120 lb. to the rear of the car and 80 lb. to the front. It seems impossible to me that your weight in the driver's seat could add 158 to the left front! What were the other corner weights. Genuinely puzzled and curious...

Regarding keeping the car at the same ride height, you wouldn't want to increase ride height on the LR and decrease it on the RR, that will cause the car to list to the right.

If you don't mind the car being a smidge higher, what you'd do is raise the LR and RF an equal amount.
If you don't mind the car being slightly lower, you'd lower the RR and LF an equal amount.

If you want to keep exactly the ride heights you have now, raise LR and RF, lower RR and LF.
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Old May 4, 2013 | 08:03 PM
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This might help. My report from last week before any balancing.

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Old May 5, 2013 | 07:19 AM
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Looks like S2000 driver weight distribution is a lot more like the 240Z. Numbers above => 33/67% front/rear, 75/25% left/right. So 25/8/50/17% LF/RF/LR/RR.
FD puts the driver more in the middle of the car, 40/60% front/rear, 67/33% left/right => 27/13/40/20% LF/RF/LR/RR.
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Old May 5, 2013 | 08:05 AM
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rn53, how was your car setup for the weight sheet above? Were your shock perchs' set equal left to right? 50.3% is a very nice cross weight to start with.

Your cross weight percentages with driver don't add up: 50.2% + 49.4% = 99.6%
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Old May 5, 2013 | 11:30 AM
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So why is my rider weight skewed so much more to the front? I forgot about the sway bar bias on the 01. Could it be because the rear sways bars are significantly stiffer in the rear compared to front? If the rider was placed in the middle of the car it shouldn't matter, but since I'm to one side? If I remember correctly, the sways on the 00-01 is roughly 250LB up front and 325LB rear. Every year after incrementally biased towards the front being stiffer.
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