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Old Jun 22, 2010 | 12:27 PM
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Yep, Ice mode can be activated by pumping the brakes or simply getting on them too hard. I've learned to avoid it in my 06.
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Old Jun 23, 2010 | 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Forcednduckshn,Jun 22 2010, 10:15 AM
MAJOR elevation change from the start to the top of hill (at the top of the map.) Does someone know the exact elevation change? I'm terrible with estimating, but I would guestimate a 50-100FT elevation change from the bottom (start) to the top (after the long run up the hill to make either the sharp left or sharp right in to the plateaued slaloms)
So, is there a way to suggest/request that uphill starts are inherently unequal? It strikes me as an unfair advantage that could have easily been avoided. Yeah, in some way, "it's racing" but...
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Old Jun 23, 2010 | 06:21 AM
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[QUOTE=jguerdat,Jun 23 2010, 03:44 AM] So, is there a way to suggest/request that uphill starts are inherently unequal?
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Old Jun 23, 2010 | 12:25 PM
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[QUOTE=jguerdat,Jun 23 2010, 04:44 AM]So, is there a way to suggest/request that uphill starts are inherently unequal?
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Old Jun 23, 2010 | 05:57 PM
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I can vouch that the S2000 is worthless on low grip asphalt matched with low speeds and tight corners against the Solstice or Vette and same driver. At least on sandy/loose surfaces everyone is in the same boat. I would rather drive something or somewhere else when in that situation. In low grip and tight situations, the car never gets in to the meat of the powerband. Since the S2000 is usually setup for stability in the powerband, it tends to get pushy while out of v-tec and requiring drastic adjustments to correct. Downshifting further upsets the car, but usually shaves time while making your job much more difficult. Downshifting is usually what I resort to. I'm disappointed to hear of the course design Nick. I would guess that the tight turns followed by straights is what killed the S as opposed to the start. Sounds like you guys were between gears.

Just my .02 and definitely not an exact science as I'm sure there are many opposing examples.

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Old Jun 23, 2010 | 06:06 PM
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Sloped lots are just part of the game. Although in general, you get to go back down the hill after you go up the hill, so it kind of balances out. When I saw the relative times between the classes, and how the cars were stratified in B Stock, my first guess was that the course had a lot of slow turns followed by medium length straights, and a lot of sweepers, and not much in the way of slaloms.
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Old Jun 23, 2010 | 06:11 PM
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FWIW Eric had some very fast times that were dirty on Saturday morning. If the incident hadn't happened and Eric could have driven the rest of the weekend I honestly think he could have been in the hunt for the win. I could be wrong but he would have been in the trophies if he wasn't carrying a cone on both his right side runs. Just my $0.02.
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Old Jun 24, 2010 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by keifla123,Jun 23 2010, 06:11 PM
FWIW Eric had some very fast times that were dirty on Saturday morning. If the incident hadn't happened and Eric could have driven the rest of the weekend I honestly think he could have been in the hunt for the win. I could be wrong but he would have been in the trophies if he wasn't carrying a cone on both his right side runs. Just my $0.02.
Yeah I saw that - he looked VERY good. It would have been very interesting to see how he could have fared with another 4 runs on each side. It is clear that he had the best plan to attack the courses. He ran a 36.413 and a 37.883 + 1. Raw time, that would have been a 74.296, good enough for the final trophy spot just sitting on the morning runs. I don't think anyone in an s2000 that ran that quick Saturday morning improved, but Eric definitely had it figured out. That's a solid tenth quicker then my 36.543 Left and 38.084 on the Right (in case you did not catch my previous post, Left was DSQ'd for Incorrect Numbers and Right was a .448 red light, both no cones). Only Chris Travis went faster than Eric on the left, with a smoking 36.361 on Saturday Afternoon. 37.883 was the fastest s2k scratch time on the right, but who knows how significant or insignificant the cone was on the impact to his time. He was battling at the top of the s2000s either way, much respect to him. It really would have been cool to see his performance through Sunday morning. I also wanted to chat with Eric as I've never met him or a lot of other national s2000 guys before. Would have been valuable to get his thoughts on attacking each side.
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Old Jun 24, 2010 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by sirbunz,Jun 23 2010, 05:57 PM
I can vouch that the S2000 is worthless on low grip asphalt matched with low speeds and tight corners against the Solstice or Vette and same driver. At least on sandy/loose surfaces everyone is in the same boat. I would rather drive something or somewhere else when in that situation. In low grip and tight situations, the car never gets in to the meat of the powerband. Since the S2000 is usually setup for stability in the powerband, it tends to get pushy while out of v-tec and requiring drastic adjustments to correct. Downshifting further upsets the car, but usually shaves time while making your job much more difficult. Downshifting is usually what I resort to. I'm disappointed to hear of the course design Nick. I would guess that the tight turns followed by straights is what killed the S as opposed to the start. Sounds like you guys were between gears.

Just my .02 and definitely not an exact science as I'm sure there are many opposing examples.

-Marc
Agreed Marc, to a T. I set my car up for balance in 2nd gear VTEC. It's push city when bogging. Without left foot braking it would be difficult to hustle it around the course below 6K in the AP1.
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