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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 07:31 PM
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Just want to know what most of you guys do to improve your driving progress other than tonnes of seat/track time or do you guys go for evo schools etc?

come share your learning experience. i feel that sometimes though getting the max seat time in auto-x etc and riding with veteran drivers still there is some questions on how to drive the S faster
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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Books:
Speed Secrets, Ross Bentley
Going Faster, Carl Lopez

Practical:
Taking driving school classes with instructors (as opposed to just lapping days).

If you really want to learn quickly, sign up for private lessons from a pro instructor. Expect to pay a lot of money for that, though.
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 08:04 PM
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so there is really no way around other than spending a lot of money for pro instructor to tutor ?
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 08:12 PM
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What sorts of methods have you tried to learn how to drive? Finding which learning style works best for you will go a long way to having concepts "click". Do you learn by getting behind the wheel and doing it? Or by watching an instructor from the passenger seat? Or by viewing in-car video? Or by reading books? Or by talking to other drivers? That being said, putting concepts to practice with seat time is essential to improving.
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by J's_Racer,Jul 16 2007, 09:04 PM
so there is really no way around other than spending a lot of money for pro instructor to tutor ?
Those books are free from my public library.
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 08:59 PM
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i've been reading going faster , watching a lot of in-car race videos. attended HPDE with an instructor in my car( though he thought it was an FF car) . and attended 2 auto-x on the S ( but 2 season with my old crx though)


cause on the recent auto-x event , i truly am disappointed on how i controlled the S as i spun out big time 2 out of my 4 runs . the car is stock with some all season hankook rt-160 tires on them and had troubles especially controlling the transition of the car through slaloms into a hairpin curve.

i know my driving isn't the best but am wondering now if it's my tires that is not giving me competitive times or is it me cause there were 3-4 s2k running but they were AP2 running SO2 tires while I'm running an AP1 with the hankooks in the sam AS class. I was the slowest of course with 62sec bracket and the fastest was in the 57 sec bracket and everyone else in between

hope to get advise from all the pro-drivers here

maybe other track guys like maxrev , stinkytofu on how you guys practises?
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by J's_Racer,Jul 17 2007, 12:59 AM
i know my driving isn't the best but am wondering now if it's my tires that is not giving me competitive times or is it me cause there were 3-4 s2k running but they were AP2 running SO2 tires while I'm running an AP1 with the hankooks in the sam AS class.

hope to get advise from all the pro-drivers here

maybe other track guys like maxrev , stinkytofu on how you guys practises?
most spinouts are operator error; not a function of equipment induced. Poor weight management + overloading the tires at the wrong moment will make u go round and round.

step number 1 in going faster is objectively determine whether the lack of speed is due to the nut behind the wheel, or the car or the combination of both.
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by J's_Racer,Jul 16 2007, 09:59 PM
cause on the recent auto-x event , i truly am disappointed on how i controlled the S as i spun out big time 2 out of my 4 runs . the car is stock with some all season hankook rt-160 tires on them and had troubles especially controlling the transition of the car through slaloms into a hairpin curve.
I can pretty much guarantee that's not the fault of the tires. Assuming the suspension hasn't been screwed up by "improvements", the transitions are all about being smooth, which is mainly about looking in the right place at the right time.

Not all instructors are the same. Find some good ones. And slow down to get fast. It's hard to work on skills when you are spinning out half the time. Spins should be rare, and you should know exactly how they happened. If you are left looking around and saying, "how did that happen?" then the answer is you are overdriving the car for your skill level.
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 09:13 PM
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really felt like i was just pushing the car too hard beyond my skill of controlling it since i dont want to feel slow that i'm driving the S.

mikegarrison: i guess u are right , i indeed felt like what happened. all i remembered through my runs was the weight shift was way beyond control. maybe from driving my crx ( way underpowered , that when i see an exit i just floor it) i kinda adapted this technique and used it on the S which in turn became a disastrous skill when i try to go WOT on each corner exit ( throttle modulation ? )

hope to hear more advise and if anyone ever used the hankooks i mentioned
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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 09:20 PM
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Dedicated in-car instruction by an accomplished driver/instructor for at least a full day (more than four sessions?), but have the instructor spend at least 50% of the time in the driver seat and you as passenger so you can observe and FEEL what it's like to be at the limit, AND have 2-way helmet radio so you can converse clearly so the instructor can explain what he/she is doing and feeling and also give you live instruction/feedback.

That's what transformed my driving overnight, even after 3-day Derek Daly racing school, a ton of seat time over a year (I'm a slow learner), and simple passengering at track days. May not be the best for you or others, but worked for me.

(My fees aren't too high )
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