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Old Sep 23, 2003 | 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by CMiS2K
blipping the throttle is necessary when on the the track with a motorcycle, you can slow down using throttle and gear. Most accomplished bikers don't even use the rear brake. I don't believe it is necessary to do it the way that most of explain.

why would you not use your left foot if it is just sitting there doing nothing?
You don't want to use the engine to brake if you want to keep the rear planted, and if you use your left foot then you must not be downshifting while staying on the brake, which is the whole point about H/Ting to do this smoothly.
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Old Sep 23, 2003 | 07:19 PM
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why are you riding the clutch? that doesn't make sense, rev match, down shift and then use the brakes(1-2 seconds). My engine braking is very minor. formula one guys blip the throttle due to sequential gearing like a motorcycle. H/T is the thing of the past.
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Old Sep 23, 2003 | 07:22 PM
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blipping the throttle is rev matching while doing the down shift.

how can you be maximizing the braked with the ball of your foot while on the throttle, that is over working the brakes.

This is my last post, I'm not a believer of H/T in the our car.
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Old Sep 23, 2003 | 07:30 PM
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Old Sep 23, 2003 | 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by CMiS2K
why are you riding the clutch? that doesn't make sense, rev match, down shift and then use the brakes(1-2 seconds).
He's using the clutch because he's shifting as he brakes -- being able to do so is the advantage of heel-toeing. I suspect you're misunderstanding what exactly heel-toe means, so here's a illustrative theoretical exercise:

Imagine you're approaching a corner which requires four arbitrary time units' worth of braking, plus a downshift. If you brake and then shift, here's what your corner entry looks like:



...where A is acceleration, B is braking, S is shifting, and C is cornering. You're accelerating down a straight, then getting on the brakes, letting off to shift, then getting on the brakes once more. Note that you got ten arbitrary time units' worth of acceleration.

The order in which you do your braking and shifting doesn't matter for the purposes of this example:



All get the same amount of shifting and braking done in the same amount of time.

Now change to heel-toeing instead.

No heel-toe:


Heel-toe:


Notice that, since you were able to brake and shift simultaneously instead of serially, that you could spend more time in the gas (two extra arbitrary time units in this example) while still getting in the same amount of braking. This is only possible if you depress all three pedals at once -- thus the need to push both the brake and the gas with your right foot. If you're not doing this, you're leaving time on the table.

As an aside, if you can downshift before you begin braking for a corner, you'd be better off being in the lower gear to start off with -- more power, and no shift required.

Steve
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Old Sep 23, 2003 | 08:07 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by CMiS2K
blipping the throttle is rev matching while doing the down shift.

how can you be maximizing the braked with the ball of your foot while on the throttle, that is over working the brakes.
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Old Sep 23, 2003 | 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by CMiS2K I am 5'11", Asian people are small compared to me. Their legs are as long as my arms.
Hey punk, I'm 6-feet tall, 200 lbs of corn-fed Japanese beef
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Old Sep 23, 2003 | 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by Tedster
The other advantage of using the ball of your foot on the brakes (besides security of not slipping off and better ability to feel) is the fine control allowed by bending your ankle to modulate brake pressure.
Exactly
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Old Sep 23, 2003 | 09:31 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by krazik
I too bent my gas pedal to the right more.
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Old Sep 23, 2003 | 10:00 PM
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SoCal Craig,

Lighten up.

I have never seen a large bodied professional Asian driver, that is all that I am saying. Most FIA, CART or professional race car drivers are built like horse race jockey's. So you can you H/T with out hitting your knee on the underside of the dash? I would have to cut out the section above my leg.

So punk you! I am 5'11" and 220 lbs of taco, beens, tortilla, corn, beef, steak, pork, elephant, buffalo, dove, pheasant, deer, rabitt, bald eagle, whooping crane, seagle, cloned do-do bird, horse, aligator, catfish, creative, protein, andro, met-rx fed mexican, so what is your point? I bet with all of the protein I take in I am stronger than you and take a bigger shit in the morning.
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