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Old May 8, 2014 | 08:58 AM
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I can't tell by looking at the pictures but during the install (or reinstall) put them on so the ball joint pin moves the bottom of the knuckle (hub) outward (more - camber).
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Old May 8, 2014 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by robrob
I can't tell by looking at the pictures but during the install (or reinstall) put them on so the ball joint pin moves the bottom of the knuckle (hub) outward (more - camber).
so the ball joint pin moves only one direction, away from the thicker side??? ok I will see on reinstalling.

I hope I ll figure this out, otherwise if the installation is correct, I don't know what to assume. Is like I didn't install anything there. I get the same alignment numbers with my OEM suspension and ride height. I am the original owner of the car. Never crash it, never had a problem with my alignment. I was hoping to get plus -2 or -3 degrees of camber but 0 is my number.

just for the record the ride height of the car from the ground until the jack stands spots is 10cm rear & 10,5cm front

Thank you all for the replies!!!!!!
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Old May 8, 2014 | 09:29 AM
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The ball joint pin is offset. Put it on the wrong way and it pulls the bottom of the hub and wheel inward for less - camber. Turn it around 180 degrees and it pushes the bottom of the hub and wheel outward for more - camber. You want the pin offset toward the car.
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Old May 8, 2014 | 09:47 AM
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a silly question. When I remove the rca from the car, is it possible to move the pin by hand???
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Old May 8, 2014 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by s2k_cy
Originally Posted by robrob' timestamp='1399568335' post='23150521
I can't tell by looking at the pictures but during the install (or reinstall) put them on so the ball joint pin moves the bottom of the knuckle (hub) outward (more - camber).
so the ball joint pin moves only one direction, away from the thicker side??? ok I will see on reinstalling.

I hope I ll figure this out, otherwise if the installation is correct, I don't know what to assume. Is like I didn't install anything there. I get the same alignment numbers with my OEM suspension and ride height. I am the original owner of the car. Never crash it, never had a problem with my alignment. I was hoping to get plus -2 or -3 degrees of camber but 0 is my number.

just for the record the ride height of the car from the ground until the jack stands spots is 10cm rear & 10,5cm front

Thank you all for the replies!!!!!!
If your max negative camber is 0, then your camber joints are installed backwards, in others wards, rotate them around. The J's s1 should increase your static negative camber by -2; i.e. if your previous camber was -0.5, you will now be at -2.5. If your max negative camber value after your Js S1 + RCA plates is 0 then it means stock ball joint value would be +2 which would mean either A) your s1 is backwards B) your knuckle is bent C) or both

If you are talking about the actual balljoint it's self, it should be able to move just not very easily. It should be very stiff.
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Old May 8, 2014 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gptoyz
Originally Posted by s2k_cy' timestamp='1399569415' post='23150562
[quote name='robrob' timestamp='1399568335' post='23150521']
I can't tell by looking at the pictures but during the install (or reinstall) put them on so the ball joint pin moves the bottom of the knuckle (hub) outward (more - camber).
so the ball joint pin moves only one direction, away from the thicker side??? ok I will see on reinstalling.

I hope I ll figure this out, otherwise if the installation is correct, I don't know what to assume. Is like I didn't install anything there. I get the same alignment numbers with my OEM suspension and ride height. I am the original owner of the car. Never crash it, never had a problem with my alignment. I was hoping to get plus -2 or -3 degrees of camber but 0 is my number.

just for the record the ride height of the car from the ground until the jack stands spots is 10cm rear & 10,5cm front

Thank you all for the replies!!!!!!
If your max negative camber is 0, then your camber joints are installed backwards, in others wards, rotate them around. The J's s1 should increase your static negative camber by -2; i.e. if your previous camber was -0.5, you will now be at -2.5. If your max negative camber value after your Js S1 + RCA plates is 0 then it means stock ball joint value would be +2 which would mean either A) your s1 is backwards B) your knuckle is bent C) or both

If you are talking about the actual balljoint it's self, it should be able to move just not very easily. It should be very stiff.
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2-3 days ago my max camber with oem suspension and no rca was -2,6 camber and - 5,6 caster. Today with the aftermarket suspension and the rca's the numbers remain the same on both sides. If I managed to bend both of my knuckle in one day....I have no words. I am pretty sure that my knuckles are ok.

I am afraid that maybe I made a mistake on my order and I bought only roll center adjustment with out camber kit. I don't know if js sell the same kit, with out offset balljoint. I don't even remember mine to be thicker from the one side. I remember that I said to my local j's dealer that I wanted a roll centre adjustment and I didn't consider to tell him also WITH A camber joint. I took for granted, that js has one kit for roll centre adjustment and camber kit in one piece, but I don't know if they have also a kit for roll centre adjuster ONLY with out offset balljoint,....do they????
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Old May 8, 2014 | 02:13 PM
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J's doesn't make a front joint with roll center correction only that I am aware of. Yours appear to be installed correctly with the logo facing the inside. and offsetting the bottom of the knuckle outwards.

Does the person doing the alignment know what they are doing?

You said your max camber with OEM suspension was -2.6? You mean OEM suspension joints and lowered on the coil overs?
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Old May 8, 2014 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by s2k_cy
Originally Posted by gptoyz' timestamp='1399577322' post='23150792
[quote name='s2k_cy' timestamp='1399569415' post='23150562']
[quote name='robrob' timestamp='1399568335' post='23150521']
I can't tell by looking at the pictures but during the install (or reinstall) put them on so the ball joint pin moves the bottom of the knuckle (hub) outward (more - camber).
so the ball joint pin moves only one direction, away from the thicker side??? ok I will see on reinstalling.

I hope I ll figure this out, otherwise if the installation is correct, I don't know what to assume. Is like I didn't install anything there. I get the same alignment numbers with my OEM suspension and ride height. I am the original owner of the car. Never crash it, never had a problem with my alignment. I was hoping to get plus -2 or -3 degrees of camber but 0 is my number.

just for the record the ride height of the car from the ground until the jack stands spots is 10cm rear & 10,5cm front

Thank you all for the replies!!!!!!
If your max negative camber is 0, then your camber joints are installed backwards, in others wards, rotate them around. The J's s1 should increase your static negative camber by -2; i.e. if your previous camber was -0.5, you will now be at -2.5. If your max negative camber value after your Js S1 + RCA plates is 0 then it means stock ball joint value would be +2 which would mean either A) your s1 is backwards B) your knuckle is bent C) or both

If you are talking about the actual balljoint it's self, it should be able to move just not very easily. It should be very stiff.
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2-3 days ago my max camber with oem suspension and no rca was -2,6 camber and - 5,6 caster. Today with the aftermarket suspension and the rca's the numbers remain the same on both sides. If I managed to bend both of my knuckle in one day....I have no words. I am pretty sure that my knuckles are ok.

I am afraid that maybe I made a mistake on my order and I bought only roll center adjustment with out camber kit. I don't know if js sell the same kit, with out offset balljoint. I don't even remember mine to be thicker from the one side. I remember that I said to my local j's dealer that I wanted a roll centre adjustment and I didn't consider to tell him also WITH A camber joint. I took for granted, that js has one kit for roll centre adjustment and camber kit in one piece, but I don't know if they have also a kit for roll centre adjuster ONLY with out offset balljoint,....do they????
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based on your part number from your pics, you got the J's S1 which is the offset camber joint.

Now here are the rumors that I was told by one of my crack suppliers that I have yet to be able to verify:
J's S1 was originally blue anodized and was only an offset camber joint that was legal for classes that DON'T permit ROLL CENTER modification.
At some point, J's redesigned the S1 and the redesign can be differentiated because it is red anodized - what you have.
The redesigned S1 includes RCA built in - which made it illegal for classes that don't permit ROLL CENTER modification.
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Old May 8, 2014 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by andrewhake
J's doesn't make a front joint with roll center correction only that I am aware of. Yours appear to be installed correctly with the logo facing the inside. and offsetting the bottom of the knuckle outwards.

Does the person doing the alignment know what they are doing?
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is your alignment guy familiar with the s2000 platform for racing purposes?

If you aren't familiar with rob rob's page check it out first:
http://robrobinette.com/S2000Alignment.htm
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Old May 8, 2014 | 03:03 PM
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yes my alignment guy knows his job. I know him from 2005 when I had my first MY05. Yes he is a familiar with the s2000 alignment, I owned 2 s2000 from 2005 until now. even me -i believe- i am familiar with s2000 alignment. This is the first time (after 9 years with an s2000) that i had such a strange situation with the alignment.

As far as i see it the reasons of the problem are A)wrong installation (although many of you noticed that everything is ok and i am afraid you are right), B) that my memory is correct and there is NOT offset balljoint on this kit and C)the alignment machine was not calibrated correct, i experienced it in the past, but you can see it and understand it with your eye when something wrong. I mean when you see a wheel becoming like Delorian's wheel from the ''Back to the future'' and the alignment monitor says -1,5 degree then your brain reacts

Anw, THANK YOU AAAAALLL YOU guys for the useful, informations. Next week i will take out the rca 's to see if is something wrong and i hope i will find the problem. I 'll keep you update with photos and the conclusions.

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