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Old Sep 12, 2013 | 12:31 PM
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In my opinion based on my s2k which was all stock with only wheels/tires and shocks (no aero or tuning engine) and considering I was not that fast this cars will not corner any faster than bikes.
I think reason for bikes been faster is all in acceleration out of the corners.
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Old Sep 12, 2013 | 12:46 PM
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Formula Pacific, kind of a cross between a open wheel formula car and a Kart.

http://www.sportscardigest.com/formu...eries-emerges/

Eddie Lawson at streets. 1:14
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54C8i9acRaY[/media]

I believe Lawson has done 1:13 in a Super Kart.

Pretty cool. Looks like a lot of fun and very inexpensive, bang for the buck, but not sure where you could use it.

The Spec Moto is the way to go.
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Old Sep 12, 2013 | 12:51 PM
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Funny part is Eddie in his bike days and current 600cc bike may produce same lap time
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Old Sep 12, 2013 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TWF
Big willow is not technical
Reference was to SOWS - Streets of Willow

my thoughts ran together, and I didn't separate when I switched from talking about SOWS to talking about WSIR.
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Old Sep 12, 2013 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TWF
In my opinion based on my s2k which was all stock with only wheels/tires and shocks (no aero or tuning engine) and considering I was not that fast this cars will not corner any faster than bikes.
I think reason for bikes been faster is all in acceleration out of the corners.
It's easy to figure out how hard a bike is cornering: tangent (lean angle) = lateral Gs

e.g. a bike leaned over at 45deg is pulling 1 lateral G.
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Old Sep 13, 2013 | 04:54 AM
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Bikes are cheaper and provide unmatched acceleration for the the money spent for track days. You can buy a fully prepped track bike for 3-5K.
One day track day locally are 90-150.00.
Some of the organizers have a full rental, school program that will allow you to use their equipment, bike, leathers, gloves........more money but a sign and ride is much easier the first time!
May be money better spent. . Show up, classroom instruction, typically a very small group of 3-5 students to one or two instructors.
The end of the day you will be wore out!

Little Talledega is a great track for your first event because you can see thru every corner and it is typically cheaper for events.

When you go racing things change!
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Old Sep 14, 2013 | 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TWF
btw. when you fast with both (bike and car) car is not even close to bike, so much more fun on 2 wheels
I sold my s2k because it is to slow to get even close to bike and to easy. You need a lot of car to match bike.
I tracked my GSX-R1000 before I started tracking cars and it was very inexpensive and a lot of fun. Keep in mind TWF is a full-up motorcycle racer and he pushes his bikes very hard on the track so costs go way up. My S2k track days are about 10x more expensive now compared to the first year I tracked it. Early bike track days will be very economical unless you crash. 600cc sport bikes aren't much slower than 1000cc bikes around most tracks so a car needs formula-type downforce to keep up.

Bottom line Josh is yes, try a motorcycle school or track day--you'll have a blast and learn a lot about you and your bike.
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Old Sep 14, 2013 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by cracknut
It's easy to figure out how hard a bike is cornering: tangent (lean angle) = lateral Gs

e.g. a bike leaned over at 45deg is pulling 1 lateral G.
This is very easy way to arrive at lateral G.

But wouldn't it vary as a function of:

* The type of tire? Seems like this would be a big variation say from a street tire to a slick.
* The track surface.

The Moto GP guys routinely hit 55deg lean, tan 55 = 1.43 G.
So what is the variation for example on a R Comp VS racing slick at 55 deg?
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Old Sep 14, 2013 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by markhs2
Originally Posted by cracknut' timestamp='1379045271' post='22775858

It's easy to figure out how hard a bike is cornering: tangent (lean angle) = lateral Gs

e.g. a bike leaned over at 45deg is pulling 1 lateral G.
This is very easy way to arrive at lateral G.

But wouldn't it vary as a function of:

* The type of tire? Seems like this would be a big variation say from a street tire to a slick.
* The track surface.

The Moto GP guys routinely hit 55deg lean, tan 55 = 1.43 G.
So what is the variation for example on a R Comp VS racing slick at 55 deg?
Lateral G force is determined by lean angle. The 'angle' should really be from the CG of the bike and rider together drawn to the contact points of the tires; there's a reason the riders hang off the bikes

There is no variation in G force between different compound tires at the same lean angle. It's the compounds ability to reach lean angles. MotoGP guys are going over 60 degrees now. I can tell you my street tires on my 600RR sure as hell will not get to that lean angle and the associated lateral G force. They would lose traction way before that, at a lower lean angle and lower lateral G force.
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Old Sep 14, 2013 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by robrob
I tracked my GSX-R1000 before I started tracking cars and it was very inexpensive and a lot of fun.
If I go my normal speed on 1000 I can't even get one day out of rear tire. 1000's eat them like they are free
btw. was to come and race Summit next weekend and just got call they canceled race weekend. They moved it to RA 2 weeks later.
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