Thank you for the clarification. In the context of the scope of this thread, your paragraph I quoted--a stand-alone paragraph, not a part of another paragraph--can easily be interpreted as I did, and I stand by my response.

As to driving on the street with a roll bar, I do that, to and from the track, with a full roll cage. I agree with you, in general. I note that there certainly can be a combination of driver size and roll bar installation which would, in my opinion, be unsuitably unsafe for daily driving, but I wouldn't make a blanket statement that it's a bad idea without looking at the setup and driver.

 

Roll bars work
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The only context in which 1AP12NV's response should have been taken is as it pertained to the quote he was responding to. If that had been the case, you wouldn't have wasted the time on your oration.

Everyone(well, most everyone ) in this forum knows just how important safety is.

 

I would be very surprised if roll bars weren't fairly useful, in many (if not most) roll-over incidents on a track. Now, try it (or not) at 90mph on asphalt. I don't know about you, but if that's going to happen to me (as it can happen to anyone driving on a race track), I want to be inside of a full cage, with a window net to keep hands from flying out the window and getting crushed.

YMMV, evidently.

 

Thank you for your helpful, thoughtful words. Not an oration, exactly, since it's written, but oh, so helpful nonetheless. And certainly not a waste of time (yours or mine).

 

 

Oh yea! Where do i sign up? I've been suffering from withdraw since then.

In regard to NASA. I was planning on joining since they will be running some events at thunderbolt. Does that mean even for regular hpde they will not approve a cusco 4 point bar? I think you answered this but just want to absolutely clarify.

I did try to find that info out on the scca site with no luck.

I dont' want to buy it and have it be worthless. Argh i really dont want to cut the plastice on the sides...guess i will just remove the whole thing.

 

Registration is not up yet, but I'll be sure to post in the NY & Del-Val forums.

I can only speak with regards to how our NASA MA chapter has run things the last two years. I used a Safety21 bar in '06 and the first one or two events in '07. No one ever checked bar thickness or bends. The prudent thing would be to check with your local chapter. It used to be that our chapter's requirements only coincided with the track that we were using. They have since blanketed all events as requiring a rollbar.

Many of the guys here have elected to just leave the plastic pieces out completely.

 

[QUOTE=1AP12NV,Jan 17 2008, 10:14 AM]If you'll please go back and calmly re-read my post you'll see that I make reference to this a number of times and even explain my position that (again) IMO, judging from my sitting position in the S2000 that I feel that driving on the street occasionally with a roll bar such as the hard dog does not pose significantly increased risk to me.

 

That all depends on a lot of things, not the least of which is your definition of "significant".

It is a fact that rollover accidents are very rare on the street (and pretty rare on the track). It is a fact that having a hard piece of metal near your head is dangerous.

But "significantly increased risk" (or not) depends on a lot of factors that each person has to consider for himself.