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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 12:47 PM
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 02:07 PM
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nothing is more frustrating when your clearly faster than the next person, but yet they have no track courtesy.
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Old Dec 6, 2004 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bluesaint,Dec 6 2004, 04:07 PM
nothing is more frustrating when your clearly faster than the next person, but yet they have no track courtesy.
How would you know?


Only teasing, of course
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by payneinthe,Dec 5 2004, 08:08 PM
That's an insane number of steering inputs per corner. Is this some sort of drift event?
Lol. That's the only way to go fast!

Remember, smoooooth is sloooooow. Har!!!
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy325,Dec 9 2004, 01:18 PM
Lol. That's the only way to go fast!

Remember, smoooooth is sloooooow. Har!!!
No, loose is fun, and fast, but only to a point. All that time he spends catching the car could be spent putting power down exiting the corner. It is an awesome display of car control, however
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by payneinthe,Dec 9 2004, 03:26 PM
No, loose is fun, and fast, but only to a point. All that time he spends catching the car could be spent putting power down exiting the corner. It is an awesome display of car control, however
What he's doing is cornering at maximum speed and putting down throttle early
coming out of the turns. Without doing that, you'll never drive at the limits of tire
adhesion consistently, and thus you'll be smooth and slow. Well not necessarily
slow, but not as fast as you can potentially go. Just IMO.
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 12:06 PM
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Being consistently over the limits of tire adhesion is NOT fast. You want to be just at the limit, not past it. Trust me, I've done plenty of laps with the rear hanging out, and they're never as fast as the smooth ones where I'm on the limit.
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by payneinthe,Dec 9 2004, 04:06 PM
Being consistently over the limits of tire adhesion is NOT fast. You want to be just at the limit, not past it. Trust me, I've done plenty of laps with the rear hanging out, and they're never as fast as the smooth ones where I'm on the limit.
That's what I said...

"Without doing that, you'll never drive at the limits of tire
adhesion consistently, and thus you'll be smooth and slow."

I never said "consistently over the limits."


Too bad no one ever found out more details about Celima's car other
than it's NA with mods.
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy325,Dec 9 2004, 02:25 PM
"Without doing that, you'll never drive at the limits of tire
adhesion consistently, and thus you'll be smooth and slow."

I never said "consistently over the limits."
Thanks for the clarification. Sounds like you are saying that what he was doing is not the fastest way around the track, but could be useful in learning the limits of the car. I can agree with that! I just don't want people who want to learn to go faster to think that they need to drive past the limits to turn fast laps.
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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by payneinthe,Dec 9 2004, 01:35 PM
Thanks for the clarification. Sounds like you are saying that what he was doing is not the fastest way around the track, but could be useful in learning the limits of the car. I can agree with that! I just don't want people who want to learn to go faster to think that they need to drive past the limits to turn fast laps.
Watch in car video of somebody like Schumi. They are constantly going *just* over the limits of adhesion, then instantly correcting. Then going just over the limit again, then correcting. Lather, Rinse, Repeat. Essentially, they are feeling out the limits in real time so they can drive right at them.
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