Guys,

I installed the bar a couple of months ago. I am running SO2's on the track and all the car seems to want to do it push. I cannot make it oversteer.

The bar is set at softest setting. I was running about 40 in the front and 34 in the rear on the track. I originally had it set to more neutral 36 front and 36 rear and it was worse.

I originally had the uk alignment on the car but went back to factory setting to see if that would help.

The front tires have about 200 mi on them. The rears have about 1000.

I am beginning to think this bar is for R compound tires only.

Help!!!!

 

On S02's the 1.25" bar is probably WAY overkill. I think you are right. The bar was designed w/ compettion in mind.

 

I would agree.
I'm pushing doing U-turns on street tires, but haven't AX'ed it until tomorrow, but looking forward to it.

Trust me, get some R compounds and you will understand fully how well this car CAN handle.

 

What they said -- I have interminable push when running OEM S02s with a 1.25" front bar.

Steve

 

change your tires. I was running RA-1s on the track with the comptech front bar and it felt great. On the street, I used Generals ($50/corner at wheel works ) and it felt great too, albeit slower. H rated, like a 600 treadwear but great bite and control, much better than the S02s IMHO and a lot cheaper. 215/17 up front, 245/17 in the rear on my aftermarket rims.

 

Hmmm... so I guess this means my car won't be as much fun around town once I get my Saner bar installed. Gah! I figured as much. I guess it's a price I'm willing to pay to be more competetive in autox. Is the handling difference on the stock tires only noticable at the limit of adhesion, where the front tires are breaking loose before the rears? Will the car still feel like it has 50/50 weight distribution, and some tossability on stock tires? Or will it feel like my old Civic... ?

 

can't answer your questions, but I can assume its not like its going to push anytime you try to turn, but if you're having lots of trouble on street tires with this bar you might want to get some 225 fronts for the street. That will help w/ the understeer.

 

what about the dreaded SNAP OVERSTEER

 

I think some of you are missing the point. I run the 2nd gen. Comptech bar at full stiff on the street and don't have dreaded understeer whilst driving on the street. If I did, I'd be an idiot for driving that fast/hard in a place where it doesn't belong.

Using street tires at a race (track or autox), I could see understeer since you're exploring the limits. Since the various R-compound tires availabel for stock class SCCA autocrossing only provide ~.5" difference front-to-rear, the extra bar helps prevent the dreaded OVERsteer. If you are using tires that maintain the ~1.5" tread width difference, less bar may be indicated. Of course, a different driving style may also be indicated since you can make anything understeer if overdriven.

 

Phil:

The other thing that should be mentioned is that driving style has a lot to do with this. if you just crank the wheel and punch it you're gonna lift the front end and get some understeer. Especially w/ street tires. If you trailed the brakes a little better and was more gentile w/ the throttle it could be less of an issue

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You might want to check out & read Speed Secrets it will help explain the physics of cornering and the importance of being smooth.