STR Classing....maybe? New to the platform
Hey guys,
I traded my 135i for this S2K with the following mods: Brakes/Suspension 17x9 +45 Silver RPF1 AST 4150 Coilovers Fenders Rolled Centric Rotors Project Mu Club Racer Pads Project Mu NS400 Pads (Extra set of 4) WASP Composits Carbon Fiber Brake Cooling Kit Corner Balenced 2015 (50/50) Alligned 2015 (-2.5F/-2R) Safety RSG Rollbar RSG BulkHead Bar Exterior OEM Honda front Lip J's Front Tow Hook Generic Rear Hook Robbins Replacement Softtop with glass Front Windshield Replaced Engine K&N Intake Invidia Test Pipe with defouler V300 Cat Back painted black AP2 Intake Retainers Moroso Oil Pan Baffle Welded In 04-05 Valve Cover Modified to prevent blow by Radium Engineeing Catch Can I'm also adding PLM header + Greddy Emanage before the season hits. So my question...I am almost certain I'd fall into STR class for AutoX per: https://dk1xgl0d43mu1.cloudfront.net...pdf?1484176131 My only concern is that my rear interior around the roll bar/trunk is stripped . The front has full interior. Do I need to replace all of this to be able to run? I'm sure the locals wouldn't care but maybe regionals and I'm almost sure nationals. I am only asking because I couldn't find the words in that document I posted. This will mainly be an open track day vehicle but I'd like to definitely do a little AutoX with my friends as well...you know for fun. :) Cheers. |
Originally Posted by HawkeyeGeoff
(Post 24426011)
Hey guys,
I traded my 135i for this S2K with the following mods: Brakes/Suspension 17x9 +45 Silver RPF1 AST 4150 Coilovers Fenders Rolled Centric Rotors Project Mu Club Racer Pads Project Mu NS400 Pads (Extra set of 4) WASP Composits Carbon Fiber Brake Cooling Kit Corner Balenced 2015 (50/50) Alligned 2015 (-2.5F/-2R) Safety RSG Rollbar RSG BulkHead Bar Exterior OEM Honda front Lip J's Front Tow Hook Generic Rear Hook Robbins Replacement Softtop with glass Front Windshield Replaced Engine K&N Intake Invidia Test Pipe with defouler V300 Cat Back painted black AP2 Intake Retainers Moroso Oil Pan Baffle Welded In 04-05 Valve Cover Modified to prevent blow by Radium Engineeing Catch Can I'm also adding PLM header + Greddy Emanage before the season hits. So my question...I am almost certain I'd fall into STR class for AutoX per: https://dk1xgl0d43mu1.cloudfront.net...pdf?1484176131 My only concern is that my rear interior around the roll bar/trunk is stripped . The front has full interior. Do I need to replace all of this to be able to run? I'm sure the locals wouldn't care but maybe regionals and I'm almost sure nationals. I am only asking because I couldn't find the words in that document I posted. This will mainly be an open track day vehicle but I'd like to definitely do a little AutoX with my friends as well...you know for fun. :) Cheers. |
Originally Posted by s2000ellier
(Post 24426028)
Test pipe is not allowed in any ST class
What about the interior though? That's the largest challenge. |
You probably alright at any regional event, going to nationals, you are going to want to put all the plastic back in trimmed to fit around the roll bar. You can leave the bulkhead out with the roll hoops but I'm not sure you can leave out the stock seat belts. Some other STR guys can probably confirm.
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Originally Posted by s2000ellier
(Post 24426041)
You probably alright at any regional event, going to nationals, you are going to want to put all the plastic back in trimmed to fit around the roll bar. You can leave the bulkhead out with the roll hoops but I'm not sure you can leave out the stock seat belts. Some other STR guys can probably confirm.
I'd have to buy the plastics from someone because mine did not come with them. ZZZ |
You should be able to find those plastic pieces fairly cheap from someone building a similar car/track car. Cutting is a bit tedious but can be made to look well.
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Originally Posted by spaded.racer
(Post 24426197)
You should be able to find those plastic pieces fairly cheap from someone building a similar car/track car. Cutting is a bit tedious but can be made to look well.
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Originally Posted by HawkeyeGeoff
(Post 24426011)
Hey guys,
I traded my 135i for this S2K with the following mods: Brakes/Suspension 17x9 +45 Silver RPF1 AST 4150 Coilovers Fenders Rolled Centric Rotors Project Mu Club Racer Pads Project Mu NS400 Pads (Extra set of 4) WASP Composits Carbon Fiber Brake Cooling Kit Corner Balenced 2015 (50/50) Alligned 2015 (-2.5F/-2R) Safety RSG Rollbar RSG BulkHead Bar Exterior OEM Honda front Lip J's Front Tow Hook Generic Rear Hook Robbins Replacement Softtop with glass Front Windshield Replaced Engine K&N Intake Invidia Test Pipe with defouler V300 Cat Back painted black AP2 Intake Retainers Moroso Oil Pan Baffle Welded In 04-05 Valve Cover Modified to prevent blow by Radium Engineeing Catch Can I'm also adding PLM header + Greddy Emanage before the season hits. So my question...I am almost certain I'd fall into STR class for AutoX per: https://dk1xgl0d43mu1.cloudfront.net...pdf?1484176131 My only concern is that my rear interior around the roll bar/trunk is stripped . The front has full interior. Do I need to replace all of this to be able to run? I'm sure the locals wouldn't care but maybe regionals and I'm almost sure nationals. I am only asking because I couldn't find the words in that document I posted. This will mainly be an open track day vehicle but I'd like to definitely do a little AutoX with my friends as well...you know for fun. :) Cheers. |
what pieces do you need. looking to go full track car. within the next to weeks interiors coming out.
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I sent in a request several months ago for clarification around S2k rollbars, given that the rear bulkhead needs to be replaced to properly position a harness bar. It's finally worked its way to the SEB agenda, and so there should be a bulletin in Fastrack about it soon. Hopefully that will provide some clarify on exactly what's allowed. I've got some unofficial early info that these installs will be possible, but I don't know exactly what will need to be retained.
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I've got stock uncut roll hoops and rear plastics sitting in my shed. If you were local I'd just give them to you.
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Originally Posted by HawkeyeGeoff
(Post 24426011)
17x9 +45 Silver RPF1
Fenders Rolled While it's not considered a lot of work to get these wheels to fit from a real-world usable standpoint, it is when you start looking at what is considered an "STR-legal" fender with a "roll". There aren't very many people running those wheels in STR for that reason. If they fit, you can bet a whole lot more people would be running them for STR since the price is right, and they're super light. STR offsets for a 17x9 wheel are more reasonably in the +55 to +63 range. |
Originally Posted by Bullwings
(Post 24426373)
check your fenders and liners.
While it's not considered a lot of work to get these wheels to fit from a real-world usable standpoint, it is when you start looking at what is considered an "STR-legal" fender with a "roll". There aren't very many people running those wheels in STR for that reason. If they fit, you can bet a whole lot more people would be running them for STR since the price is right, and they're super light. STR offsets for a 17x9 wheel are more reasonably in the +55 to +63 range. They should just let us do whatever we want after this happened last year: https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.s2k...9f9bdf9e4b.jpg |
Originally Posted by Nate Tempest
(Post 24426331)
I sent in a request several months ago for clarification around S2k rollbars, given that the rear bulkhead needs to be replaced to properly position a harness bar. It's finally worked its way to the SEB agenda, and so there should be a bulletin in Fastrack about it soon. Hopefully that will provide some clarify on exactly what's allowed. I've got some unofficial early info that these installs will be possible, but I don't know exactly what will need to be retained.
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Originally Posted by Orleansjunky
(Post 24426313)
what pieces do you need. looking to go full track car. within the next to weeks interiors coming out.
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OR I guess the other option is to just go to street prepared and run Hoosiers LOL
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Check my post:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/s2000-ra...ion-s-1181893/ Technically not having the plastics bumps you all the way into SSM like me if you read the rules strictly. Nothing is allowed unless it is explicitly written. Hopefully Nate above gets some more clarification. I wish they could allow for this with a car that is essentially falling within the spirit of the rules of the class. Plastics are plastics and other than a slight weight advantage, if somebody wants to remove them (especially for safety equipment) why not just let them and penalize them? For me, I'd happily take a 100 lb ballast hit due to not having plastics or softtop and non OE hardtop, which when you account for ballast for no softtop is really just ballast itself, just so I could run in STR. Everything else for me certainly falls within STR, and given that at the last local event I was over 1.5 seconds ahead of the STR winner...I know that even 200 lbs is not even close to 1.5 seconds on a 50 second course. |
Originally Posted by Silver9k
(Post 24426705)
Check my post:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/s2000-ra...ion-s-1181893/ Technically not having the plastics bumps you all the way into SSM like me if you read the rules strictly. Nothing is allowed unless it is explicitly written. Hopefully Nate above gets some more clarification. I wish they could allow for this with a car that is essentially falling within the spirit of the rules of the class. Plastics are plastics and other than a slight weight advantage, if somebody wants to remove them (especially for safety equipment) why not just let them and penalize them? For me, I'd happily take a 100 lb ballast hit due to not having plastics or softtop and non OE hardtop, which when you account for ballast for no softtop is really just ballast itself, just so I could run in STR. Everything else for me certainly falls within STR, and given that at the last local event I was over 1.5 seconds ahead of the STR winner...I know that even 200 lbs is not even close to 1.5 seconds on a 50 second course. |
Originally Posted by HawkeyeGeoff
(Post 24426527)
They fit just fine; zero rubbing by some kind of magic. So you're saying my fenders might be rolled too much?
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Originally Posted by Bullwings
(Post 24426726)
Yes. I would check the possible legality of your roll. Chances are, it shouldn't be a problem, until you start winning...
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Does not appear anyone else brought this up, but the brake ducts may be an issue too. They allow brake ducts, but not body modification to accommodate them. Usually they would let you tape over them though. Otherwise test pipe for sure needs to be changed. Plastics would probably be dependent on area. I took out my AC in my area and they offered to still put me in STR.
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Originally Posted by BoboTheMonkey
(Post 24427086)
Does not appear anyone else brought this up, but the brake ducts may be an issue too. They allow brake ducts, but not body modification to accommodate them. Usually they would let you tape over them though. Otherwise test pipe for sure needs to be changed. Plastics would probably be dependent on area. I took out my AC in my area and they offered to still put me in STR.
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Originally Posted by HawkeyeGeoff
(Post 24426033)
Balls. Yeah I re-read that and showed something about cat needing to be a certain distance from the original. High flow cat I assume is okay....
What about the interior though? That's the largest challenge. if you get alignment and ride height right, those +45 offsets are likely going to get in the way. Something with +60 is what you really want. You can roll fenders but not pull them in ST |
For local events a lot may get by. But keep in mind, if you do well, it is up to your competitors if they protest. If they do, it goes by the rulebook and you get disqualified. Most autocrossers stay away from weenie protests, but some will protest if one peice of trim is missing if you win a trophy :) |
So many damn rules.....pushing more and more towards Modified.
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Originally Posted by HawkeyeGeoff
(Post 24427340)
So many damn rules.....pushing more and more towards Modified.
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Originally Posted by HawkeyeGeoff
(Post 24426011)
04-05 Valve Cover Modified to prevent blow by
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Originally Posted by Conedodger
(Post 24427442)
Is this an STR legal mod? Somehow I have it in my mind that it is not, but I'm not sure.
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Originally Posted by spaded.racer
(Post 24427486)
Technically no.
Plus, I'd say there's a reasonable argument for it under section 13.1 of the street rules: "All repairs must comply with factory-authorized methods and procedures, or industry standard methods, as follows: If the OEM does not provide an appropriate method of repair, industry standard methods and procedures may be used. Such repairs may not result in a part or combination of parts that provides a competitive advantage (e.g., significant change to weight, suspension control, power, etc.) as compared to the standard part(s). Competitors are strongly cautioned to use this allowance to make common-sense repairs only." |
Originally Posted by Nate Tempest
(Post 24428179)
Would be the weeniest protest ever...
Plus, I'd say there's a reasonable argument for it under section 13.1 of the street rules: "All repairs must comply with factory-authorized methods and procedures, or industry standard methods, as follows: If the OEM does not provide an appropriate method of repair, industry standard methods and procedures may be used. Such repairs may not result in a part or combination of parts that provides a competitive advantage (e.g., significant change to weight, suspension control, power, etc.) as compared to the standard part(s). Competitors are strongly cautioned to use this allowance to make common-sense repairs only." |
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