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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 05:55 PM
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Anyway, go ahead and run 185/205 and let us know how it goes
This crazy guy already beat me to it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by2_N...nhFA3Z&index=7

Don't mind the "Acura S2000" riff raft, but he has many videos showing the car on 205 tires all around, as well as drifting on some Bridgestone Blizzak winter tires in who knows what skinny size..

The reason I posted that video is because right around 4:00 in he gets bored in the middle of a donut and decides to take a drink from canned coffee in his cup holder.
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Old Feb 13, 2013 | 06:48 PM
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Some final thoughts...

Depending on the specific tire, car, setup, and driver, it is possible that in some cases 255/40-17s might be "faster" or "better" on, say, a 9" wheel than on a 10" wheel. Maybe...

Quite a few years ago, *everybody* in MotoGP was on 17" wheels with lower-profile tires, and then Gary McCoy astounded everyone by kicking ass with 16.5" wheels with taller-sidewall tires and a riding style that was OUT there. By mid-season, the *conventional* wheel/tire size wisdom had been turned on its head, at the *highest* level of 2-wheel motorsport, due to the riding style of ONE unconventional rider (watch the movie "Faster"!).

There is no one WAY. You do what works for you. Develop what you have and drive the wheee out of it

I.e., there's no universally applicable answer, even limiting the question to the s2000, to your original question.
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ZDan
Some final thoughts...

Depending on the specific tire, car, setup, and driver, it is possible that in some cases 255/40-17s might be "faster" or "better" on, say, a 9" wheel than on a 10" wheel. Maybe...

Quite a few years ago, *everybody* in MotoGP was on 17" wheels with lower-profile tires, and then Gary McCoy astounded everyone by kicking ass with 16.5" wheels with taller-sidewall tires and a riding style that was OUT there. By mid-season, the *conventional* wheel/tire size wisdom had been turned on its head, at the *highest* level of 2-wheel motorsport, due to the riding style of ONE unconventional rider (watch the movie "Faster"!).

There is no one WAY. You do what works for you. Develop what you have and drive the wheee out of it

I.e., there's no universally applicable answer, even limiting the question to the s2000, to your original question.
Absolutely right! Happens in every form of motor sport. That is where my "handicapping/limiting" is derived from, not that case specifically, just the idea. There is no way to discover new ways to go fast if you just stick to what everyone else is doing.
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 01:28 PM
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What I'm getting out of this thread is that if the only goal is maximum grip, go in this order:

1. Best-compound tires you can afford to track
2. Widest section width available in that model of tire that will fit in the wheel well
3. Widest wheel you can buy with an offset that makes it possible to mount that tire in your wheel well.

Correct?
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 03:47 PM
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So the TTC guys run 225s due to classing points.

Autocrossers have more (and quicker) transitions than track work, but still prefer to cram more tire when possible (obviously more wheel would be preferable).

So should casual track guys all be running 295s on 18x11s?
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by thomsbrain
What I'm getting out of this thread is that if the only goal is maximum grip, go in this order:

1. Best-compound tires you can afford to track
2. Widest section width available in that model of tire that will fit in the wheel well
3. Widest wheel you can buy with an offset that makes it possible to mount that tire in your wheel well.

Correct?
if you have track experience, #1 might be true. If I was a noob, but had lots of money, I would not run Hoosiers or other brand of slicks. less feedback, not as friendly when they break away sometimes

also, depends on what class you are running for competition as well. by the best allowable tire within class for the rims in which you can afford. 9s are cheap, 10s are not
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Old Feb 14, 2013 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CKit
So should casual track guys all be running 295s on 18x11s?
Most definitely yes
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Old Feb 15, 2013 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by macr88
Originally Posted by CKit' timestamp='1360889243' post='22338601
So should casual track guys all be running 295s on 18x11s?
Most definitely yes
^ what he said lol!
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Old Feb 15, 2013 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by c32b
Originally Posted by macr88' timestamp='1360890896' post='22338648
[quote name='CKit' timestamp='1360889243' post='22338601']
So should casual track guys all be running 295s on 18x11s?
Most definitely yes
^ what he said lol!
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And the truly hardcore should be running donuts all around!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPh90...EEEFA&index=49
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Old Feb 15, 2013 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by robrob
So the *real* question isn't about what the ideal wheel width is for a given tire size, it's what is the best tire for quickest lap times on your existing OEM wheels, right?

Usually it's going to be the widest fricking tire you can spoon onto it (within reason of course...).

I agree with ZDan.Most of us start with a certain size wheel and we want the best (fastest lap time) tire we can get. That will normally be the widest tire we can fit on the wheels and in the wheel well so I highly recommend you not downsize your tire to get a better "tire stretch." 255's all around have been the best dry tire size for me.
Agreed when its more of an after thought. Ideally you would already know what size tires your going to run and would then get the wheels, ones that maximize the tire size you can fit. Counter intuitively, when you start running max size fitment tires, running wider wheels that put some stretch on them actually makes fitment easier due to the suspension geometry/camber under movement. For example, running 295 out back on my car fit on a 11.5" wide rim without rubbing vs a 11" due to how close the tolerances were with that size rubber, and I needed the sidewall to pull slightly to keep the corners of the tire from hitting the inner and out fender under suspension compression, due to wheel path as well as the shape of the fenders. Point is, if all I had was a 11" wheel at the same offset as the 11.5", id have to scale the tire size down to keep from rubbing, when in normal circumstance where room isn't an issue, a 295 would fit perfectly well on a 11".
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