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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 01:54 PM
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What does the LS2 GTO have to do with a s2000 trapping 109/110 in the quarter?! That's the Kraftwerks high boost kit.. They put down like high 360whp with just the kit.. Like I said, "average driver".. There are the exceptions to that.. But those are usually few and far between..
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JDMpearlwhyteZ
What does the LS2 GTO have to do with a s2000 trapping 109/110 in the quarter?! That's the Kraftwerks high boost kit.. They put down like high 360whp with just the kit.. Like I said, "average driver".. There are the exceptions to that.. But those are usually few and far between..
Because I'm relating a pig of a car with similar output? Use some reasoning...
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 03:56 PM
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06 LS2 GTO:
Base engine size: 6.0 L
Cam type: Overhead valves (OHV)
Cylinders: V8
Valves: 16
Torque: 400 ft-lbs. @ 4000 rpm
Horsepower: 400 hp @ 5200 rpm
Curb weight: 3725 lbs.

345whp & 355wtq

Vs.

06 F22 S2000

Engine & Performance
Base engine size: 2.2 L
Cam type: Double overhead cam (DOHC)
Cylinders: inline 4
Valves: 16
Valve timing: Variable
Torque: 162 ft-lbs. @ 6800 rpm
Horsepower: 237 hp @ 7800 rpm
Curb weight: 2855 lbs.

With "Kraftwerks high boost kit": 360whp 240wtq & probably weighs about 75-100lbs more than stock..

Hp isn't very much without torque, that's all I'm saying.. But that's why we have 4.10's
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by hatrickstu
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What does the LS2 GTO have to do with a s2000 trapping 109/110 in the quarter?! That's the Kraftwerks high boost kit.. They put down like high 360whp with just the kit.. Like I said, "average driver".. There are the exceptions to that.. But those are usually few and far between..
Because I'm relating a pig of a car with similar output? Use some reasoning...
Also, according to my sources, LS2 GTO's trap around 107/108.. So all you did was further prove that a 350~ whp could beat a heavier car with "similar" power output or so as you say..

So whether a s2000 is only trapping 109/110 with a sc, it should still beat a "pig" such as the GTO from a dig or roll..
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 04:16 PM
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So 1000 lbs should only net 2mph? Did you also miss my cobalt example. You obviously do not have much drag race experience.
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by hatrickstu
So 1000 lbs should only net 2mph? Did you also miss my cobalt example. You obviously do not have much drag race experience.
Fwd cars usually trap higher than rwd cars, so I guess you proved a lot..

A 10 second rwd car vs a 10 second fwd car, I'd bet money the fwd car will trap higher..

I'm sure you know this with your almighty knowledge of drag racing and such things..

We can take this to PM's if you'd like to continue without cluttering this thread anymore than we already have..
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by hatrickstu
So 1000 lbs should only net 2mph? Did you also miss my cobalt example. You obviously do not have much drag race experience.
Cobalt SS: 1/4-mile: 14.4 sec @ 100 mph

ENGINE TYPE: supercharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, port fuel injection
Displacement: 122 cu in, 1998cc
Power (SAE net): 205 bhp @ 5600 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 200 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm

The s2000 traps that and runs 13.9-14.1.. If the SS ran that it would trap higher than the s2000, so what's your point?? When comparing fwd to rwd, it's probably better to associate the runs with times instead of mph.. Because usually the fwd car has to trap higher to run the same time..

I'm sure the cobalts have gone faster mph, and I know the s2000 has also.. But just by logic from magazine driver times, the cobalt would need to trap higher being fwd to keep up with the s2000.. The disadvantage of being fwd really kills the launch..
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 05:10 PM
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You are magazine racing dude, I'm telling you based on my real world experiences. You posting cobalt magazine tests has nothing to do with this. Go to a drag strip and educate yourself. And just to be an ass, yes I actually do have quite a bit of knowledge considering I drag raced that cobalt nearly every weekend for 3 years, drive a 10 second 140 mph integra, and have raced my dads built ls1 car, just to name a few. Your experience?

Hell you couldn't even realize a Gto that is 1000 lbs lighter trapping 1-2 mph (btw some stock ones have gone 112) on roughly the same whp proved you wrong. Open your eyes dude, 110 is slow as hell for a 350whp s2000.
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 05:24 PM
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You're clearly missing my point.. Hp is NOT the only factor.. Neither is weight..

Things that matter are traction/60ft's, gearing/tire sizes, torque, transmission and driver skill..

You can have all the power you want, if it doesn't hook up, it'll trap something retarded and run a poo time.. I've seen cars that run 10.9 @ 133, and I've seen fwd cars that are 1,000lbs lighter and run 10.9 at 145..

I guess you know it all though.. Since I haven't built a race car integra or anything like that..

Also since you are so blatant to point out special cases/exceptions.. I was using magazine times to point out the "average" Joe's capabilities.. And to be more broad about the scenario..

There's a lot more people out there running 14's trapping 100 in their s2000 than people running 13.7 @ 106.. Man comprehension is critical these days..

For all I know, that cobalt trapped 117 and ran a garbage 13.3.. Where as a rwd car with less power could run a 13.0 @ 110.. It's all about how you put the power down, if you can't then it doesn't matter what you trap either way..
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Old Feb 17, 2012 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by hatrickstu
You are magazine racing dude, I'm telling you based on my real world experiences. You posting cobalt magazine tests has nothing to do with this. Go to a drag strip and educate yourself. And just to be an ass, yes I actually do have quite a bit of knowledge considering I drag raced that cobalt nearly every weekend for 3 years, drive a 10 second 140 mph integra, and have raced my dads built ls1 car, just to name a few. Your experience?

Hell you couldn't even realize a Gto that is 1000 lbs lighter trapping 1-2 mph (btw some stock ones have gone 112) on roughly the same whp proved you wrong. Open your eyes dude, 110 is slow as hell for a 350whp s2000.
You just proved a point with your post about this amazing integra.. 10's @ 140mph.. Rwd cars are trapping 130's and getting into the 10's.. It's all about power delivery, I bet your integra spins it's ass off.. I never said "OMFG 110 is the fastest trap in the world for a 350whp s2000".. I said "its on par", what I meant by that is my mom could get in that s2000 I posted in the video and trap 110mph.. Christ!! What's so hard to understand about the AVERAGE person would probably trap that do you not understand?! I know they're are exceptional drivers out there, I know you're probably Dale Earnhart Jr. and run the 1/4m every day.. I know you probably practice speed shifting from light to light.. But the average person does not, and for them trapping 110 is probably perfectly fine..

Get off your 110 isn't fast because race car high horse and realize that everyone isn't going to have the best set up for running the quarter mile at the best possible time and mph, some people use it as a base line.. And any improvement in speed or time is all they want to see no matter how large or small it may be.. Other people like you use it as a penis to slap the keyboard with.. I get it now..

You built an integra that does one thing well, go in a straight line.. Other people who don't want to have single dimensional cars build their shit to be amazing.. I'd rather trap 110mph in a s2000 that I can have fun with everyday being amazing than to have an all out dragster s2000 that: doesn't idle well, can't turn, has a gutted interior, and can't be driven on the street, and doesn't even spool the turbo until 7k..
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