You think so? Can you hit 60 in 2nd gear? Or 62 (100kph) that the rest of the world uses?

I've driven both, it is much easier to shift the '00 without hitting the limiter.

As far as dramatic acceleration...I don't think I put the S2k in that catagory. In a day when lots of cars do low 13 sec 1/4 miles, and $21k will get you under 5 sec 0-60, the S2k is simply not that fast.

The S2k is about balance and fun. Like my '68 Lotus Elan was...a long time ago.

 

No, but then I personally could care a rip about doing that. In fact, I think it shows balls on Honda's part to not have made that a criteria. It goes further in line with the exact thing you just mentioned. The car is not, and has never been, about drag racing and 0-60 times. It's about fun and excitement.

ron

 

In the world of selling cars, 0-60 (or 0-100kph) is probably the most report figure, with 1/4 mile times right behind. No one in their right mind would make a peformance car with a built in .25-.5 second penalty. That is just throwing sales away.

 

Just like I said, it took big kahunas for Honda to not kowtow to that irrelevant statistic when doing the redesign. I think they know their target market well and realize that the S is not a high volume car anyway. And, I guess it didn't hurt that even with the extra shift in there they are still faster than the previous configuration and right in there with the major competition. I'd hazard a guess that if the net result of the gearing/engine changes would have lowered them down, their kahunas wouldn't have been quite so big .

ron

 

So your position is that Honda has bottom rung marketing staff, management that can't control the engineering staff, and an engineering staff that thinks it is cool for the dealers to sell cars at cost?

And this is somehow related to the size of their reproductive organs? I've heard that women believe men think with those, but I haven't heard that they believe men design cars with them.

My view is different. Management made an aggressive move and over-reached. Within a year they will get it together and we will have a 9000 rpm 2.2. And right now they suffer these discussions as to whether their old car is better than their new one.

Has Honda had this problem before? Well, I think it highly unlikely that original design of the '04 Acura TL ahd separate voice buttons for the phone and the nav/audio/climate systems. My guess is that the phone people didn't catch up. That minimal on screen functionality and no voice integration were penalties for trying to get to much in the package. Again, I would expect the '05 to only have one set of buttons. And touch dialing on the nav screen.

 

Now you're talking crazy again.



Of course you are entitled to your opinion but I totally and completely disagee with it. The whole redesign was a calculated, well thought out and executed move. Enjoy your new car (if you can...).

ron

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by David NJ
At 5300, 1 HP = 1 ft-lb torque, at 9000

 

Your right...numbers are reversed. What I meant to say was 1 ft-lb torque is 1 HP at 5300, but 1.7 HP at 9000.

I went to MIT, but that was over 25 years ago. It was a nice tour.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NECurve
David NJ

I asked that very question of my mechanic (he works almost entirely on Porsches and Jags, but is very knowledgable about all exotics/specialty cars)
and he claims that once you are in VTEC and within a few hundred rpms of redline, it will NOT drop out of VTEC until the gas is let out for a "significant

 

I drive an RSX Type-S and I had the same situation that you '04 owners are in. I don't have it anymore because I have the Hondata ECU flash but when the ECU was stock, fuel cutoff was at 8200 RPM and redline was 8000 RPM. You can easily stay in VTEC as long as you shift quickly. I know I don't have a S2000 but it's probably similar.