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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 08:27 AM
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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by norbtx,Jul 20 2004, 09:53 AM
What? My dealer said there will be no 2005 S2K's. The 04's are the last of them, and he can get me a good deal on an 04.


Hey, I wonder how many people who own NSX's are told this year after year.
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Old Aug 15, 2004 | 07:22 PM
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motor Trend USA - believes there will be a major overhaul - but silence from Honda
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Old Aug 15, 2004 | 08:07 PM
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Old Aug 15, 2004 | 10:48 PM
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Wouldn't be surprised if they "tweaked" the engine to 250-260 hp... the increased hp gain that people are reporting anyway...

a la 2005 G35 coupe.

It's funny that people are so fixated on hp rather than area-under-the-curve... not to mention curb weight.

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Old Aug 16, 2004 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Ckcrigger,Aug 16 2004, 01:48 AM
It's funny that people are so fixated on hp rather than area-under-the-curve... not to mention curb weight.

1) With the Honda-typical flat torque curve (disregarding the VTEC transition) an increase in peak hp usually means a proportionate under-the-curve increase as well.

2) With the requirements for safety, the regidity of the x-bone frame, and keeping costs down - it'd be nearly impossible to reduce weight much without throwing away significant portions of the cars. (Check out what the track guys have to do to get down to 2400lbs.) (FWIW, I personally would love to own a factory stripped Type R model.)
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Old Aug 16, 2004 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Elistan,Aug 16 2004, 08:47 AM
1) With the Honda-typical flat torque curve (disregarding the VTEC transition) an increase in peak hp usually means a proportionate under-the-curve increase as well.

2) With the requirements for safety, the regidity of the x-bone frame, and keeping costs down - it'd be nearly impossible to reduce weight much without throwing away significant portions of the cars. (Check out what the track guys have to do to get down to 2400lbs.) (FWIW, I personally would love to own a factory stripped Type R model.)
Would it not be cheaper to buy a 'regular' S2000 and strip it yourself?
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Old Aug 16, 2004 | 12:33 PM
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It's all speculation, but I believe that going it myself would end up costing significantly more than what Honda would offer it for. (Imagine taking an '03 car and modifying it to the '04 specs - it'd cost you a ton of money. Yet Honda offers the '04 for the same price as the '03...)

For example, the only Type R we've gotten here in the States has been the Integra Type R of a few years ago. It cost a little bit more, but you got revised aerodynamics, suspension (springs, shocks and swaybars), upgraded engine with more HP and higher redline, weight reduction, upgraded wheels and tires, and some other stuff I'm probably not remembering. I used to have a '97 Integra GSR, and turning it into a Type R would have been insanely expensive.
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Ckcrigger,Aug 15 2004, 10:48 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if they "tweaked" the engine to 250-260 hp... the increased hp gain that people are reporting anyway...

a la 2005 G35 coupe.

It's funny that people are so fixated on hp rather than area-under-the-curve... not to mention curb weight.

isn't the 2004 s2k already tweaked? according to temple of vtec, the 2004 s2k showed significantly bigger numbers. it dynoed at 241 hp at the wheels. meaning its roughly 260 hp at the crank. i'm curious to know why honda did this tho. if the new 2.2l motor is making more (much more) power than the previous models, why not tell the public?
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Steven2k,Aug 19 2004, 12:25 AM
isn't the 2004 s2k already tweaked? according to temple of vtec, the 2004 s2k showed significantly bigger numbers. it dynoed at 241 hp at the wheels. meaning its roughly 260 hp at the crank. i'm curious to know why honda did this tho. if the new 2.2l motor is making more (much more) power than the previous models, why not tell the public?
Honda might not want to this because it might hurt their acura luxury market. Look at the new TL it makes 270hp from a 3.2L V6 and if they say the 04 S2K makes 260hp out of 2.2L inline-4 it wont look very good and customers might start to wonder why they paid 35k for a luxury TL that is a V6 but only has 10hp more than a inline-4. Just my .2 cents
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