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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 05:43 AM
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If this was posted before, sorry...if not, have a look.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/03/ke...ster_key_found/
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 07:48 AM
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Does this mean no more slashed tops?
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 08:11 AM
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What is your source of information? A link perhaps?
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 08:30 AM
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I'll oblige myself...

Schneier is a renown security expert who references the papers the poster is likely referring to.

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008...q_still_br.html

http://www.crypto.rub.de/keeloq/index.html
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 08:31 AM
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sucks...
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 08:38 AM
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Doesn't matter, the locks were easy to break in to begin wth. The OEM alarm is placed in such a well-known and easily accessible area that one won't need such high-tech equipment to defeat.

It's the properly installed aftermarket alarm system that would make the life of a car-thief a bit harder. Those will have better encryption; als units and wires are hidden in harder-to-access areas.

The OEM alarm and keyless entry system is so bad anyway. Definitely need proper aftermarket install-job and system to delay the whole stealin process
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 08:47 AM
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So.... German scientists will be stealing our cars?
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 08:51 AM
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jaa! zey vill steal and zen unpimp your auto
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 11:11 AM
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A team of German scientists say they have cracked the encryption of a device widely used in keyless entry systems that electronically secure cars, garages and office buildings.
This quote alone makes me laugh... I have known about this for about 3 or 4 years now... and they "claim" to have discovered/cracked it now? If you know how these things work, its pretty common sense. You don't even have to do all of the stuff and know the algorithms in order to do this, since a vast number of these keyless entry tools do not use these algorithms...

Just like you can use a tape recorder to record and replay a sound, you can use a device to record and "replay" a radio frequency... as simple as that. If you use your keyless entry to open your car or garage door, someone could sit in your backyard or side of the street and record that and reuse it. Not too difficult. It even gets more interesting once you start talking about keyless entry/keyless start...

Also, if you are interested in this kind of stuff you may want to check out a technique called "lock bumping" or a "bump key" ...Your jaw will drop when you see how easy it is for someone to break into almost any lock (in a matter of 3-5 seconds)

Most of this information is not known to the general public, but is widely known and distributed in the criminal underground among professional criminals... I've worked in many fields of security (computer, corporate, home, etc...)

Edit: Wording in Itallics added to more clearly make the point.
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Old Apr 4, 2008 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by agent,Apr 4 2008, 10:51 AM
jaa! zey vill steal and zen unpimp your auto


they didnt copy the laser-cut key, so i'm not too worried. it's not worth investing a lot of skill and money to go small-time and try to steal ipods. if they could steal cars, maybe then i'd worry a bit more. (but we don't drive ferraris ...or ITRs... well nm)
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