aluminum exhaust piping?
Originally Posted by jzz30,Jun 7 2006, 11:53 PM
yes they call that "killed steel" because of the stabbing motion they do with the AL poles in the molten metal.
and use lots of Ar. when welding Al!!! it comes out cleaner!
and use lots of Ar. when welding Al!!! it comes out cleaner!
"Killed steel" simply refers to steel that has been deoxidized. Aluminum killed steel would be the term used for steel killed with aluminum. Silicon is the other common method of killing steel. The stabbing you speak of, I have no idea where you got that but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
Generally alumminum is added to steel in the form of aluminum "cone." Al reduces FeO in this manner 2Al + 3FeO -> 3Fe + Al2O3. The resulting Aluminum oxide (Al2O3 commonly refered to as Alumina) is a ceramic with an extremely high melting point, roughly 3700 degrees fahrenheit. This is of course well above steel making temps (around 3000 degrees). I just realized this is a fairly complicated topic and it would take a very long time to type out how all this works starting with why alumina doesn't become a large brick on top of the steel. I will stop boring everyone. Steel is definately one of those topics where I border on ultra dork status in all facets...
Originally Posted by Sideways,Jun 7 2006, 05:07 AM
http://www.burnsstainless.com/TechArticles...um_article.html
Not recommended for exhaust. Aluminum melts and corrodes too.
Not recommended for exhaust. Aluminum melts and corrodes too.
Originally Posted by Mr. Bean,Jun 9 2006, 09:57 PM
Isn't it hard to weld as well...
Your average muffler shop dude that might know how to weld mild steel probably doesn't know how to weld Al. It is more difficult, but I wouldn't say hard. As with anything, you just have to know what you are doing. Welding is definately something were practice makes perfect. Welding exhaust piping is fairly trivial as far as welding goes. Just make sure you use highly skilled people when building rollcages and things like that...
on my 93 accord coupe, I had custom galvanized aluminum exaust from cat back, never had any issues with rust, leaks, or cracks and after 3 years , the last time I had it on the lift it still looked like it did when it was new.
Originally Posted by 44Runner,Jun 9 2006, 04:19 PM
You lost me here.
"Killed steel" simply refers to steel that has been deoxidized. Aluminum killed steel would be the term used for steel killed with aluminum. Silicon is the other common method of killing steel. The stabbing you speak of, I have no idea where you got that but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
Generally alumminum is added to steel in the form of aluminum "cone." Al reduces FeO in this manner 2Al + 3FeO -> 3Fe + Al2O3. The resulting Aluminum oxide (Al2O3 commonly refered to as Alumina) is a ceramic with an extremely high melting point, roughly 3700 degrees fahrenheit. This is of course well above steel making temps (around 3000 degrees).
I just realized this is a fairly complicated topic and it would take a very long time to type out how all this works starting with why alumina doesn't become a large brick on top of the steel. I will stop boring everyone. Steel is definately one of those topics where I border on ultra dork status in all facets...
"Killed steel" simply refers to steel that has been deoxidized. Aluminum killed steel would be the term used for steel killed with aluminum. Silicon is the other common method of killing steel. The stabbing you speak of, I have no idea where you got that but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
Generally alumminum is added to steel in the form of aluminum "cone." Al reduces FeO in this manner 2Al + 3FeO -> 3Fe + Al2O3. The resulting Aluminum oxide (Al2O3 commonly refered to as Alumina) is a ceramic with an extremely high melting point, roughly 3700 degrees fahrenheit. This is of course well above steel making temps (around 3000 degrees). I just realized this is a fairly complicated topic and it would take a very long time to type out how all this works starting with why alumina doesn't become a large brick on top of the steel. I will stop boring everyone. Steel is definately one of those topics where I border on ultra dork status in all facets...
Originally Posted by 44Runner,Jun 9 2006, 05:08 PM
That depends who you ask.
Your average muffler shop dude that might know how to weld mild steel probably doesn't know how to weld Al. It is more difficult, but I wouldn't say hard. As with anything, you just have to know what you are doing. Welding is definately something were practice makes perfect. Welding exhaust piping is fairly trivial as far as welding goes. Just make sure you use highly skilled people when building rollcages and things like that...
Your average muffler shop dude that might know how to weld mild steel probably doesn't know how to weld Al. It is more difficult, but I wouldn't say hard. As with anything, you just have to know what you are doing. Welding is definately something were practice makes perfect. Welding exhaust piping is fairly trivial as far as welding goes. Just make sure you use highly skilled people when building rollcages and things like that...

i dont think its one bit hard but thats me, other people say they cant see what they are doing, and others say they just poke a hole right through it...but those people arent regualar welders. and practice DOES make perfect.
Originally Posted by 4bang6,Jun 9 2006, 10:45 PM
on my 93 accord coupe, I had custom galvanized aluminum exaust from cat back, never had any issues with rust, leaks, or cracks and after 3 years , the last time I had it on the lift it still looked like it did when it was new. 

BTW: All steel is killed in modern steelmaking. Rimmed steel hasn't been made in the US for about 25 years.
Originally Posted by slalom44,Jun 10 2006, 09:53 AM
BTW: All steel is killed in modern steelmaking. Rimmed steel hasn't been made in the US for about 25 years.
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