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Old Jul 5, 2001 | 11:44 AM
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Default August Car & Driver - Lots of Stuff....

1 - It has the Mugen $56k S2000, which barely beats the stock version, but looks damn nice!

2 - Test of the RSX - Type S (not a bad sounding/accelerating car)

3 - One lap of america stuff - Nick Wong - did you really blow the engine in your S2000 also? Was it replaced under warranty or ??? There is a picture of his "old but potent" (is that you Don H? ) Skyline.

4 - the 4 roadster test that someone else had already posted... geez they are getting fast! 13.1, 13.1 & 13.0 for the
Old Jul 5, 2001 | 11:50 AM
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That's the second time C/D has tested a not-much-quicker than stock s2k. Maybe they need to get a hold of one you guys' blown cars...
Old Jul 5, 2001 | 01:25 PM
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What, and run a 13.8@103 like SCC did? ;-)

In defense of Mugen and Kings products (not their prices), they only claim a 15 hp gain with the header/exhaust, intake and ECU. To pick up 0.3 seconds and 2 mph in the quarter is not bad for what amount to rather minor mods, especially on such an optimized engine. Looks like the Mugen version may have picked up some weight too, what with the body kit, hard top, bigger wheels, etc.

I'm not particularly fond of the near $6000 price tag for the hp upgrades, but over time, from "lesser" manufacturers, you should be able to get similar gains for much less (sub $2000 at least). Even if you paid the $10k or so for the hp parts and the suspension parts (sans new wheels and S03s) you'd still have a car that priced less than The M-roadster or Boxster S while possessing even greater handling prowess and a nice power bump.

Personally, I'd rather wait to spend my next $1500 on some high-impact mods like cams, or headwork, or....

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Old Jul 5, 2001 | 03:28 PM
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13.0 for the
Old Jul 5, 2001 | 08:53 PM
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Also, there is a short write up on the Integra Type-R in the "Upfront" section, page 32.

A couple of quotes: "Honda claims the Type-R does the quarter-mile in just 14.3 seconds." and "Don't expect the Type-R to show up in the US for a couple of years."
Old Jul 6, 2001 | 05:30 AM
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Thanks for the tip, Scott. I'll have to hunt down a copy of C&D.

BTW I think your hometown name is the best I've heard in a long time!
Old Jul 6, 2001 | 10:41 AM
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Did anyone notice that the Mugen S2000 had the CAI installed but the hood and top of bumper looks stock? I thought one had to modify the hood to use the Mugen CAI.

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Old Jul 6, 2001 | 11:01 AM
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The hood is modified on the Mugen S2000. You only need to cut the underside of the hood. Take a look at your own car. You just have to carve out the bottom "layer" of the hood, leaving the exterior untouched.
Old Jul 6, 2001 | 11:45 AM
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I see, thanks
Old Jul 6, 2001 | 06:09 PM
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Hey Scot, et al-

I finally got a copy of that issue of C&D...

Yep, the S2000 had some problems- not what we expected out of a stock engine block (with 6K miles on the odometer)... After some consultation with AHM, they (Schaumburg Honda) had the short block replaced under warrantee- there was some correllation between the VIN, 4th cylinder problem, and my Honda dealer mechanic's assessment that my car fell under. Those two days of driving on the track were the first real days I used that car to its limits, so if it were to fail, that was the place (and time) for it to do so. FYI- if we had used the S2000 for the event we would have probably placed top 15 every event (as times showed at VIR and Road Atlanta), but that's not exactly good enough when gunning for #1. I'm usually very easy on my cars, but One Lap has a habit of pushing me and E.C. to drive the cars on the edge. At least we won our class (and 2nd overall) at the Racemark Challenge in the GT-R this year...

In any case, it was taken care of within two weeks. Apparently, AHM has a small supply of short blocks ready to go (in a manner of speaking ) and one was at the dealer within 24 hours of the diagnosis. I don't expect the new short block to fail- but at the same time, I'm playing it safe too- lots of heat cycles on the engine to break it in, and many, many miles before really gettin' on her...

FYI (misc. ramblings)- there was a group of HMC engineers testing the RSX (Integra) Type R at Buttonwillow a month ago... The OEM hood, when modified and finished properly, is imperceptible to an "uncut" hood- to the point C&D didn't even mention it (overlooked, probably, unlike the not-so-obvious front bumpsteer improvements that they did report on)... Reading between the lines in that article, 0-130mph showed very dramatic improvement, demonstrated primarily by more power and significantly better aerodynamics. More interestingly, although they didn't see huge improvements on the skidpad, the fact is the OEM tires have a much less water channeling ability than the S-03PP, and even with that handicap, the S-03PP gave equal, if not better (when measured with a device far more sensitive than the average layperson) lateral performance. That should tell the majority of you out there that the S-03PP is in fact, a superior tire...



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