Bieg and the "Driving Gloves"
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Originally posted by Mindcore
ahh so its a one to one ratio you perfer?
Your constant attacks of moderators aside, I think you really have to get over it.
I've seen little kids bitch less then you. You are just as much to blame for this crap as everyone else involved.. Every post you make of such a nature cause these results...then you are the first person to call foul and whine to the admins...You would think after what 3 years? that you would finnaly get it through your head that your posts cause this reaction.
If you truely wanted everything you say you do out of this site, you would not keep forcing your slighted opinions down our throats ad nauseum.
Now, I'm pretty sure I know where you're comming from, you are one step above the trolls that try and infect this forum, you at least have enough inteligence to mask your trolling in the guise of a well written ( in the english sense ) thread.
Now, its my personal opinion, not anyone else assoctiated with this sight, that you decide where you fit into this community..Are you to be the same hot poker up the ass that you normally are? or do you want to make something more of it?
I ask the question, sadly knowing the answer. As I say, over 3 years of the same thing, you obviously have chosen your path.
Perhaps the reason your threads catchs the attention, and opinions of the moderators, is because it is us that has to handle the shit storm you create, time after time..
You can bitch about me all you want, though you have never PM'd me, your attiude towards the mods here is unwarranted..
I personally have done more for this forum to date, then you ever could, if the site lasted another 20 years.
If you feel the need to prattle on further, PM me, this will be my last responce to this thread.
ahh so its a one to one ratio you perfer?
Your constant attacks of moderators aside, I think you really have to get over it.
I've seen little kids bitch less then you. You are just as much to blame for this crap as everyone else involved.. Every post you make of such a nature cause these results...then you are the first person to call foul and whine to the admins...You would think after what 3 years? that you would finnaly get it through your head that your posts cause this reaction.
If you truely wanted everything you say you do out of this site, you would not keep forcing your slighted opinions down our throats ad nauseum.
Now, I'm pretty sure I know where you're comming from, you are one step above the trolls that try and infect this forum, you at least have enough inteligence to mask your trolling in the guise of a well written ( in the english sense ) thread.
Now, its my personal opinion, not anyone else assoctiated with this sight, that you decide where you fit into this community..Are you to be the same hot poker up the ass that you normally are? or do you want to make something more of it?
I ask the question, sadly knowing the answer. As I say, over 3 years of the same thing, you obviously have chosen your path.
Perhaps the reason your threads catchs the attention, and opinions of the moderators, is because it is us that has to handle the shit storm you create, time after time..
You can bitch about me all you want, though you have never PM'd me, your attiude towards the mods here is unwarranted..
I personally have done more for this forum to date, then you ever could, if the site lasted another 20 years.
If you feel the need to prattle on further, PM me, this will be my last responce to this thread.
Half the problems are caused by the moderators egging on the shit storm.
Look at what your "Moderators" have done to this thread. I did not start this thread. I answered the question posed in an honest manner. Did I attack anyone? I just related what was said and done to get to this point.
Want to count the personal attacks?
I certainly see that going along with the lynch mob is easier for you "Moderators" and you certainly hope the "Problem" (Me) goes away but that does not make your action right or justified.
Of course since you all make the rules I am playing against a stacked deck and can never win.
That does not mean I can't show you all up for the hypocrits that you truly are in the process though.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bieg
[B]Funny how all the following quotes have come from "Moderators" and "Community Organizers" just from this one thread that I did not even start.
Anyone want to show me where I have made any unprovoked personal attacks on this thread?
[B]Funny how all the following quotes have come from "Moderators" and "Community Organizers" just from this one thread that I did not even start.
Anyone want to show me where I have made any unprovoked personal attacks on this thread?
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Hey look I guess I am like you, unlike moron which you answer to I realize I'm answering to asshole.
First, I said this about you before, what part of before and now don't you grasp. I even admitted it was wrong. You've managed to quote it several times now and it still baffles you with the meaning.
No problem sweetheart, you call me anything you wish. And in fact I do beleive you do have a problem dealing with the likes of me, You said you'd ignore me half a dozen posts ago. Just goes to prove a point that you thrive on this type of attention.
You have my permission to have at me at any time, I'm a big boy and can take your statements. It is the internet and I try not to take it to personally.
I'm sorry this has hurt your feeling, it wasn't meant to and now you've dragged me back down with you.
I've learned a valuable lesson from this, you don't want to achieve peace, you want to keep this slew of insults and trash flowing. I will no longer take part in it an I am sorry for being involved at all.
You may not quote me anymore as it is offensive to the meaning it was intended for.
First, I said this about you before, what part of before and now don't you grasp. I even admitted it was wrong. You've managed to quote it several times now and it still baffles you with the meaning.
No problem sweetheart, you call me anything you wish. And in fact I do beleive you do have a problem dealing with the likes of me, You said you'd ignore me half a dozen posts ago. Just goes to prove a point that you thrive on this type of attention.
You have my permission to have at me at any time, I'm a big boy and can take your statements. It is the internet and I try not to take it to personally.
I'm sorry this has hurt your feeling, it wasn't meant to and now you've dragged me back down with you.
I've learned a valuable lesson from this, you don't want to achieve peace, you want to keep this slew of insults and trash flowing. I will no longer take part in it an I am sorry for being involved at all.
You may not quote me anymore as it is offensive to the meaning it was intended for.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by DoGMaN
[B]Hey look I guess I am like you, unlike moron which you answer to I realize I'm answering to asshole.
First, I said this about you before, what part of before and now don't you grasp. I even admitted it was wrong. You've managed to quote it several times now and it still baffles you with the meaning.
No problem sweetheart, you call me anything you wish. And in fact I do beleive you do have a problem dealing with the likes of me, You said you'd ignore me half a dozen posts ago. Just goes to prove a point that you thrive on this type of attention.
You have my permission to have at me at any time, I'm a big boy and can take your statements. It is the internet and I try not to take it to personally.
I'm sorry this has hurt your feeling, it wasn't meant to and now you've dragged me back down with you.
I've learned a valuable lesson from this, you don't want to achieve peace, you want to keep this slew of insults and trash flowing. I will no longer take part in it an I am sorry for being involved at all.
[B]Hey look I guess I am like you, unlike moron which you answer to I realize I'm answering to asshole.
First, I said this about you before, what part of before and now don't you grasp. I even admitted it was wrong. You've managed to quote it several times now and it still baffles you with the meaning.
No problem sweetheart, you call me anything you wish. And in fact I do beleive you do have a problem dealing with the likes of me, You said you'd ignore me half a dozen posts ago. Just goes to prove a point that you thrive on this type of attention.
You have my permission to have at me at any time, I'm a big boy and can take your statements. It is the internet and I try not to take it to personally.
I'm sorry this has hurt your feeling, it wasn't meant to and now you've dragged me back down with you.
I've learned a valuable lesson from this, you don't want to achieve peace, you want to keep this slew of insults and trash flowing. I will no longer take part in it an I am sorry for being involved at all.
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I may very well be in the best position to comment on this entire situation. I am relatively new to this board, I've only been here seven months. I didn't see all of the fighting that occured in the past, and as a result, I don't carry any of the predjudices into the discussion. Let me make a few observations.
I was a participant in the thread that was offensive yesterday. I found it to be an amazing forum. What started as an interesting, all be it opinionated, thread degenerated into a batch of useless nonsense. That would have been bad enough, but the mud slinging and character assination in the thread directed at Bieg was uncalled for. If you disagree with what he had to say, argue the issues, don't get involved in personalities. If you don't want to read "still another anti-mod thread" don't read it. It is as simple as that. Much of the blame for what went on falls on the moderators. Moderators have an obligation to be above the argument in order to moderate it. This time they chose to participate in the arguement. That is not what moderators are supposed to do.
Bieg wrote his article and stated his opinion. He didn't flame anyone. Everyone else could either agree or disagree. In the beginning, that was how the thread went until it got out of hand.
We ought to think about what is going on here. We have at least two very fine members of this board at each other's throat for no good reason. Both have been fine contributors.
Some of the best, most informative technical articles that I have read are those written by xviper. I have learned a great deal from him. In addition, he is quick to answer questions, usually with better information then anyone else has.
Bieg has written some of the best histories and essays I have read. Agree with him or not, his articles and points of view are alway thought provoking. An added bonus is the discussion that follows, except when it becomes a flame fest. And if he sometimes repeats the same theme, so what. How many times have you seen "How old is the S2000 owner" in the last few months.
My point is we have some very fine members, and we all ought to show each other some respect. The moderators should moderate, and we should argue the issues not the personalities.
I was a participant in the thread that was offensive yesterday. I found it to be an amazing forum. What started as an interesting, all be it opinionated, thread degenerated into a batch of useless nonsense. That would have been bad enough, but the mud slinging and character assination in the thread directed at Bieg was uncalled for. If you disagree with what he had to say, argue the issues, don't get involved in personalities. If you don't want to read "still another anti-mod thread" don't read it. It is as simple as that. Much of the blame for what went on falls on the moderators. Moderators have an obligation to be above the argument in order to moderate it. This time they chose to participate in the arguement. That is not what moderators are supposed to do.
Bieg wrote his article and stated his opinion. He didn't flame anyone. Everyone else could either agree or disagree. In the beginning, that was how the thread went until it got out of hand.
We ought to think about what is going on here. We have at least two very fine members of this board at each other's throat for no good reason. Both have been fine contributors.
Some of the best, most informative technical articles that I have read are those written by xviper. I have learned a great deal from him. In addition, he is quick to answer questions, usually with better information then anyone else has.
Bieg has written some of the best histories and essays I have read. Agree with him or not, his articles and points of view are alway thought provoking. An added bonus is the discussion that follows, except when it becomes a flame fest. And if he sometimes repeats the same theme, so what. How many times have you seen "How old is the S2000 owner" in the last few months.
My point is we have some very fine members, and we all ought to show each other some respect. The moderators should moderate, and we should argue the issues not the personalities.
