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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 05:17 PM
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I would say the evidence makes a good case for the install being done incorrectly, but to say it points to it 100% is wrong, especially since you don't know everything that was involved in the install nor the fix. At the very LEAST, though, I WOULD feel comfortable in saying it's a bad coincidence, if not the actual problem. We need more info to help diagnose the problem.

What wires were you wiggling when the car would start again? Was it near the ECU, near the fuse box, or near the actual airbag switch? Where did the dealer put the new fuse (basically what I'm asking is are you SURE he actually installed a new fuse, or did he just tell you that)?

If the fuel system was shorting out and it was attached to the same system as the SRS, then the SRS system would fail, throwing an SRS light up on the dash and possibly a CEL light for the fuel pump, as well. But again, I cannot believe a car manufacturer would connect those two systems to the same fuse, but I'll be damned if I can find my Helms manual to check.

So, the first thing I would do is ask the dealer to show you where he put this new fuse, and tell us what spot it takes up in the box. If it's a spot already taken up by another stock fuse (meaning he didn't actually DO anything), you can bet I'm going to cry foul on the dealer and all bets are off. Now, it's certainly possible that in the wiring of the switch, the installer loosened a few stock connections which then shorted, but then it's a bit more difficult to say (at least for me) that the switch itself is causing a problem, as the installation itself was done correctly.

Oh, BTW I wasn't lecturing/preaching, I was merely pointing out both sides of the story to everyone who posted "why would you ever drive that fast, yadda yadda yadda..." My last line was meant to say that young children/infants should never ride in the front seat of cars with active airbags, since it's activation would more than likely snap their small necks. this problem is solved in the S2000 with the installation of this switch.
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 05:29 PM
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The dealer showed me what they did when i picked up the car.
The srs/switch now has its own connection into one of the three
accessory plugs on the fusebox. It also has its own fuse.

The way I was able to get the car running again was to play with a connector next to the fusebox. This didn't always work.
When i demonstrated what i did to the mechanic he was surprised that that would have any affect on the problem. He said something about that connector controlling the brake lights or something to that effect.

Also when I talked to the airbag switch tech guy. He told me that
they do connect the switch to the fuelsystem wire. He then asked for the honda dealer tel num so he talk to the mechanic who did the work. This was a week ago. I just checked with the
dealer today. He never called.


>Oh, BTW I wasn't lecturing/preaching, I was merely pointing
>out both sides of the story to everyone who posted "why
>would you ever drive that fast, yadda yadda yadda..." My last
>line was meant to say that young children/infants should never
>ride in the front seat of cars with active airbags, since it's
>activation would more than likely snap their small necks. this
>problem is solved in the S2000 with the installation of this
>switch.


Sorry for the confusion I thought you were directing this to me.
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 06:28 PM
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It might not be too bad of an idea to put an airbag on/off switch in your car. One of our company vans was idling in a parking lot tues and the air bag went off. Luckily no one was in it. I assumed some one must of bumped into it in the parking lot but there was no damage to the van anywere. I did some searching on the internet and found there is a recall for this that came out in 3/99 and evidently moisture gets in the aecm shorts it out and causes the bag to deploy. This is not something you would want to happen while driving obviously.
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 06:46 PM
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Maybe it's just NY state law, but I thought it was federal law that no children under 12 are allowed to ride in the front seat? Or maybe I'm just confusing the whole thing...
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 07:17 PM
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Well, since they admit to connecting the wiring to the fuel pump circuit, I would say that alone is grounds for a lawsuit against them should something tragic happen. All safety related items should run on their own circuit, without exception, for this very reason. But it certainly begs the question, at least for me...what does this "switch" actually do that it needs to pull power? I'm assuming merely disabling a line to the airbags will throw an SRS system fault.
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Old Dec 14, 2002 | 04:21 AM
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According to the airbag switch tech guy all that pulls power is a small light on the switch itself. I think that is why they connect it to the srs/fuelsystem wire. In my case I'm guessing that the installer screwed up and didn't connect it correctly somehow.
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