CDV!?! is it neccessary
The CDV was specifically designed so that Hyundai Santa Fe's will beat your ass whilst you shift into second hard and are greeted with this nice, prolonged slip, instantly wearing 100 regular starts from your clutch.
Originally Posted by jeffbrig,Aug 26 2009, 04:14 PM
In casual driving, many drivers wouldn't even notice it's there. Repeated hard launches and hard shifts, trying to "chirp the tires", will break the drivetrain (usually the diff). It's just a question of when. Removing the CDV help you to accelerate that process, if that's your goal.
i do NOT drive hard (25k miles on original rear tires and 35k on front) but the CDV was an absolute annoyance. driving like a granny maybe one does not notice it but with ANY moderately quick clutch takeup and you feel the slugginess and lag in engagement.
my opinion, the cdv was an over protective nanny response to people thinking their AP1 were drag racers.
for a normal driver, the cdv is not a necessity
smurf2k,
Actually, I tend to agree with what you're saying. I'm truly not a fan of the cdv, and I'm glad my car doesn't have one.
My point was really to the OP - based on his stated use in drag racing. Removing the cdv will definitely increase shock on the drivetrain, a known failure point when subjected to that kind of use.
Actually, I tend to agree with what you're saying. I'm truly not a fan of the cdv, and I'm glad my car doesn't have one.
My point was really to the OP - based on his stated use in drag racing. Removing the cdv will definitely increase shock on the drivetrain, a known failure point when subjected to that kind of use.
Originally Posted by Saki GT,Aug 26 2009, 07:15 PM
Chirping tires on gear changes is a sign of poor shifting. You're breaking traction and upsetting the car's balance.
The action of CDV must vary from car to car because I rarely notice anything funky about my shifts, even in spirited driving.
I had an AP1 before and I can and have ripped off similar spinning-wheel clutch drops from a stop. Once in a while I get a vague 2-3 powershift but I attribute that to a stock pressure plate and a little clumsiness. I've raced plenty of 1/4 mile and auto-x so I'd know if MY car was shifting funky.
I had an AP1 before and I can and have ripped off similar spinning-wheel clutch drops from a stop. Once in a while I get a vague 2-3 powershift but I attribute that to a stock pressure plate and a little clumsiness. I've raced plenty of 1/4 mile and auto-x so I'd know if MY car was shifting funky.
[QUOTE=Penforhire,Aug 27 2009, 12:15 PM] The action of CDV must vary from car to car because I rarely notice anything funky about my shifts, even in spirited driving.
I had an AP1 before and I can and have ripped off similar spinning-wheel clutch drops from a stop.
I had an AP1 before and I can and have ripped off similar spinning-wheel clutch drops from a stop.
[QUOTE=Saki GT,Aug 27 2009, 10:17 AM]Having driven CDV S2000s and BMWs, and listened to people complain about the CDV in both, I've come to the conclusion that the CDV isn't the main culprit - it seems to be deficiencies elsewhere, like a weak PP in the S2000 or just a driver that can't shift well in general or who can't adapt to the car.
Originally Posted by ou818,Aug 26 2009, 02:44 PM
I had a Competition stage 2 clutch installed.
Left the CDV, but get no discernible slippage whatsoever. It will now bark the tires going into third @ 58 mph.
Left the CDV, but get no discernible slippage whatsoever. It will now bark the tires going into third @ 58 mph.
ou818, Clutch slip after enagement (like mashing the gas while rolling along in 5th gear) is not the fault of the CDV. All that does is slow down the release of hydraulic pressure, like a one-way line restriction, when you let the clutch pedal up. It doesn't change the absolute pressure or spring clamping force, just the rate of engagement. It doesn't come into play at all after the clutch is fully engaged.
Originally Posted by Penforhire,Aug 28 2009, 11:55 AM
ou818, Clutch slip after enagement (like mashing the gas while rolling along in 5th gear) is not the fault of the CDV. All that does is slow down the release of hydraulic pressure, like a one-way line restriction, when you let the clutch pedal up. It doesn't change the absolute pressure or spring clamping force, just the rate of engagement. It doesn't come into play at all after the clutch is fully engaged.
I left my CDV in and installed a new slave with my Competition stage 2 clutch kit. My clutch now grabs fast and holds hard.
Before it was broken in, it was more like an on and off switch. Killed the motor and unintenionally squealed the tires a few times after I first got it






