Clutchless S2000 Successor
Originally Posted by Honda Life Dunk,Dec 17 2009, 04:13 PM
Ferrari have just announced that the successor to their F430, the new 458 will not come with the option for a manual gearbox. They will be 100% clutchless.
They erased the 6spd tranny off from their spec sheet
although you can still order it through the manufacturer with extra cost (WTF?)
i wouldn't mind having paddle shifters in those kind of cars,
but in s2k i'd stick with the 6spd h-pattern shifter.
or even dogleg racing sequential would be a-okay..
but no paddle shifter on s2k. heck no.
I really hate paddle shifting. Makes the car feel almost as boring as an auto to drive. I would never by an S or S successor if it had paddle shifting no matter how nice it was. Just not fun to drive.
A major reason I am daily-driving an S2000 is its gearbox, more so than the engine, the styling, and the convertible top.
But let's face it: Manual gearbox will be lost for sure. It may linger around for economical or "novelty" reasons, but I doubt it.
It is us who associate "art of driving" with "manual gearbox". If we were born 100 years from now, we wouldn't give a shxx about it. Nostalgy is not a good enough reason to keep things around.
DSG is awesome. It is the future. I wish S2000 had one. If Honda will ever produce a competitive sports car again, it sure will be equipped with an automated manual gearbox.
But let's face it: Manual gearbox will be lost for sure. It may linger around for economical or "novelty" reasons, but I doubt it.
It is us who associate "art of driving" with "manual gearbox". If we were born 100 years from now, we wouldn't give a shxx about it. Nostalgy is not a good enough reason to keep things around.
DSG is awesome. It is the future. I wish S2000 had one. If Honda will ever produce a competitive sports car again, it sure will be equipped with an automated manual gearbox.
seems like all modern gearboxes are heading this route, but i truly love the s2000 because of its traditional 6-speed gearbox. i'm still old school about being able to select my gears by rowing through gears.
i'm sure in the future i'll succumb to the modern clutchless cars though.
i'm sure in the future i'll succumb to the modern clutchless cars though.
"Demand for manual gearboxes is less than 5% in California."
Think of who is actually buying those... I'm pretty sure the majority of those are movie stars or rock singers who couldn't care less about driving manual and blab on their phones. Ugh.
I'm glad the S2000 comes in manual-only.
Think of who is actually buying those... I'm pretty sure the majority of those are movie stars or rock singers who couldn't care less about driving manual and blab on their phones. Ugh.
I'm glad the S2000 comes in manual-only.
I've driven a bimmer 3 series with the paddle shifter....after a few shifts it got boring and saw no point in it and I put it back on auto. I could see it possibly being fun on a curvy road, but aside from that it was just boring. I love driving stick shift cars. The main thing I always looked for in a car was a manual transmission (88 toyota truck, toyota matrix and now my S). I love the 6 speed tranny in the S and would not change it for a pladdle shifter ever.
Perhaps most people buying the Ferraris are racing them, so they want the faster transmission? Or, they are cruising in them and don't want to deal with a gearbox...
I like rowing the gears - it may not be the fastest thing, but its more fun. It will probably get harder for me to find new cars with manual trans. in the future, so I'll probably have to buy older cars. With all the new government nannies in cars these days, I don't think that's such a bad thing.
I like rowing the gears - it may not be the fastest thing, but its more fun. It will probably get harder for me to find new cars with manual trans. in the future, so I'll probably have to buy older cars. With all the new government nannies in cars these days, I don't think that's such a bad thing.
flappy paddles have caught on just as front wheel drive caught on in the 80's and 90's. it has lots of pro's on paper and the suits in the high rise offices will follow the trend. but the core of true enthusiasts are still here. and even though our voices are not loud, it it strong.
rear wheel drive is making a comeback because the true enthusiasts are demanding it. same thing will happen with the true manual gearbox.
rear wheel drive is making a comeback because the true enthusiasts are demanding it. same thing will happen with the true manual gearbox.









