downshifting to stop
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Originally Posted by Ruprecht,Jan 12 2007, 08:24 PM
I don't disagree with you there.
I go with the flow of my mood and the situation. Safety is a factor and sometimes I just like to hear the whine of the engine.
I am just recognizing that when the clutch engages, some wear occurs.
I go with the flow of my mood and the situation. Safety is a factor and sometimes I just like to hear the whine of the engine.
I am just recognizing that when the clutch engages, some wear occurs.
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Originally Posted by sexycheto88,Jan 12 2007, 10:05 AM
hey i'm new to manual. getting really good which is nice=) but my friend told me when coming to a stop at say a light its best to downshift through the gears. i've been doing this but its quite annoying.
he says gives the tranny longer life, i see it as burning out my clutch easier.
so is this good? or just keep it in 6th untill it starts bogging and put it into neutral?
he says gives the tranny longer life, i see it as burning out my clutch easier.
so is this good? or just keep it in 6th untill it starts bogging and put it into neutral?
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From: San Francisco
Originally Posted by RED MX5,Jan 12 2007, 06:07 PM
Given the gross incompetence of a great deal of the "advice" given in this thread I'm not even going to get involved. Go to a good driving school and learn from a professional you can trust. At least half of what you are getting here is garbage.
go to standardshift.com and post this question...get some real answers.
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Here's an interesting safety perspective from a guy over on the board recommended by chuhsi...depriving signal to other drivers.
"It requires higher fuel consumption and wears a tiny bit on the clutch (psh, hardly), I don't do it because I don't get brake lights when I do it, the guy behind me is more likely to rear end me. I had a friend that always asked why I didn't do it, and that I could save brakes. I said a clutch is much more expensive. Razz (I'm thinking my clutch may have like 10k miles left on it).
Though I will use it going down a steep hill to prevent going too fast."
"It requires higher fuel consumption and wears a tiny bit on the clutch (psh, hardly), I don't do it because I don't get brake lights when I do it, the guy behind me is more likely to rear end me. I had a friend that always asked why I didn't do it, and that I could save brakes. I said a clutch is much more expensive. Razz (I'm thinking my clutch may have like 10k miles left on it).
Though I will use it going down a steep hill to prevent going too fast."
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From: San Diego, Wess-Side!!
THIS AGAIN!!! 
Staying in 6th gear until it bogs and then putting in the clutch is WACK!
Dismissing proper manual driving techniques due to lack of the ability to properly drive a manual transmission car makes me want to both
and 
at the same time.
The OP. Learn the CORRECT way to drive a manual transmission FIRST. Then in time if you choose to be lazy for what ever reason.... can't get it down.... or just plane prefer to drive the way you want to drive..... AT LEAST you know how to do it.
What ever you do.... don't use cost savings for an extra tranny, extra brake pads or extra clutch as an EXCUSE to not learn the proper way to drive.
The owners manual even states to engine brake to assist in stopping the car. Driving instructors will tell you the Right way and the Wrong way. The wrong way is coasting in Neutral or staying in 6th till it's about to bog.
Bottom line is... learn to downshift. Then learn to rev-match. Then if you want, learn to heel toe and what ever else you want to learn.
For SAFETY and for proper technique, the car should be in the correct gear for the associated MPH.
Do a search on how many people have had to replace their tranny because they downshifted too much...
Tim
Staying in 6th gear until it bogs and then putting in the clutch is WACK!
Dismissing proper manual driving techniques due to lack of the ability to properly drive a manual transmission car makes me want to both
and at the same time.The OP. Learn the CORRECT way to drive a manual transmission FIRST. Then in time if you choose to be lazy for what ever reason.... can't get it down.... or just plane prefer to drive the way you want to drive..... AT LEAST you know how to do it.
What ever you do.... don't use cost savings for an extra tranny, extra brake pads or extra clutch as an EXCUSE to not learn the proper way to drive.
The owners manual even states to engine brake to assist in stopping the car. Driving instructors will tell you the Right way and the Wrong way. The wrong way is coasting in Neutral or staying in 6th till it's about to bog.
Bottom line is... learn to downshift. Then learn to rev-match. Then if you want, learn to heel toe and what ever else you want to learn.
For SAFETY and for proper technique, the car should be in the correct gear for the associated MPH.
Do a search on how many people have had to replace their tranny because they downshifted too much...
Tim
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From: San Diego, Wess-Side!!
Originally Posted by gunderwood,Jan 12 2007, 07:46 AM
When approaching a stop light, stop sign, traffic; anything were you know you are going to stop, regardless of gear, shift to neutral and release the clutch.
Blind
leading the blind....
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From: San Diego, Wess-Side!!
Originally Posted by Ruprecht,Jan 12 2007, 04:23 PM
scenario 1
I am in 4th gear and coming to an exit ramp, I allow engine braking to slow me down in 4th, then at some point press the clutch and cruise to my stop.
I shift from 4th to 1st (clutch in the whole time), then clutch out and go when the light changes.
scenario 2
In contrast, this time I engine brake in 4th, clutch in, rev match shift to 3rd, clutch out, engine brake, clutch in, rev match shift to 2nd, clutch out, engine brake, clutch in, rev match shift to 1st, clutch out, engine brake, clutch in, come to stop, then clutch out and go when the light changes.
scenario 1 - clutch re-engages 1 time (when you resume travel after stop)
scenario 2 - clutch re-engages 4 times
I am in 4th gear and coming to an exit ramp, I allow engine braking to slow me down in 4th, then at some point press the clutch and cruise to my stop.
I shift from 4th to 1st (clutch in the whole time), then clutch out and go when the light changes.
scenario 2
In contrast, this time I engine brake in 4th, clutch in, rev match shift to 3rd, clutch out, engine brake, clutch in, rev match shift to 2nd, clutch out, engine brake, clutch in, rev match shift to 1st, clutch out, engine brake, clutch in, come to stop, then clutch out and go when the light changes.
scenario 1 - clutch re-engages 1 time (when you resume travel after stop)
scenario 2 - clutch re-engages 4 times
Another cost effective arguement but you state that it's "additional" wear on the clutch.
I say it's "normal" wear on the clutch. Not using it for what it's designed for is dismissive driving and it's NOOB and unsafe to both DO IT..... and then
PREACH IT....
Tim
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From: San Diego, Wess-Side!!
Originally Posted by 90crvtec,Jan 12 2007, 09:26 AM
I have yet to spin out when slowing down in a straight line with my car in neutral. 
NOOB.Sounds like you don't know how to rev-match.
Neutral braking is a
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Originally Posted by SIIK2NR,Jan 12 2007, 09:52 PM
Do a search on how many people have had to replace their tranny because they downshifted too much...
But it is a fact that some people get fewer miles on their clutch due to their driving technique.