Expensive Gas - Does the s2000 HAVE to have it?
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Originally Posted by Suzukaboy,Nov 9 2005, 05:09 PM
Still waiting for those references to what Honda engineers "have said".
The main advantage of premium-grade gas is that it allows automakers to advertise a few more horsepower by designing and tuning engines to take advantage of premium's anti-knock properties. But auto engineers generally agree that if you use regular in a premium engine, the power loss is so slight, most drivers can't tell.
"I go back and forth, and I'm hard-pressed to notice" whether there's regular or premium in the tank, says Jeff Jetter, principal chemist at Honda Research and Development Americas. He drives an Acura designed for premium.
"I go back and forth, and I'm hard-pressed to notice" whether there's regular or premium in the tank, says Jeff Jetter, principal chemist at Honda Research and Development Americas. He drives an Acura designed for premium.
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Originally Posted by FearlessFife,Nov 9 2005, 09:25 PM
Oh, and people get flamed for asking dumb questions.
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Originally Posted by Dylan Hunt,Nov 9 2005, 11:36 AM
I'm in NJ so Sunoco Ultra 94 for my baby 
One time they put 50 cents of regular in there I made them suck out all the gas and fill me up again
One time they put 50 cents of regular in there I made them suck out all the gas and fill me up again
Premium, in fact, sometimes is worse fuel than regular. It resists knock because it's harder to ignite than lower-octane fuels. As a result, some engines won't start as quickly or run as smoothly on premium, notes Gibbs, the SAE fuel expert.
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From my understanding of using high octane is due to high compression. The detonation is a nasty thing. even at low rpm the compression ratio is still the same.
My friend's civic si with B16 and pumping in 87 caused him a lot of trouble after 40k. The valve was off and one of the valve had a chip (not sure if it is the result of detonation) but the chamber looks nasty comparing to my B16 at 90k, my engine sounds smoother, runs smoother and did one valve adjustment at 50k, never had problem. I only have the S for 10k and with higher compression ratio than the B16, I will not risk to put less than 91.
If you really have to put 87, by all mean do it but if you are running 87 or 89 will hurt performance in the long run.
I found that 93 gives me a bit more milage over the 87 so the extra 30 cents is not all for nothing. The little extra milage plus less detonation... I will not recommend people to go with less than 93.
Afterall, it is your car and do as you wish, but when you sell it because the engine is knocking and not smooth... don't lie to the kids who want to buy it that you have been putting in 93 all the time. Have decency and be responsible. Btw, I do 60 miles commute everyday and calculating putting in 93 verses 87 does not cost me around 12 to 15 dollars a month that is 4 fill up in a month 10 gallon every fill up and 30 cents difference between 93 and 87. I am sure you can swing extra 15 bucks a month.
My friend's civic si with B16 and pumping in 87 caused him a lot of trouble after 40k. The valve was off and one of the valve had a chip (not sure if it is the result of detonation) but the chamber looks nasty comparing to my B16 at 90k, my engine sounds smoother, runs smoother and did one valve adjustment at 50k, never had problem. I only have the S for 10k and with higher compression ratio than the B16, I will not risk to put less than 91.
If you really have to put 87, by all mean do it but if you are running 87 or 89 will hurt performance in the long run.
I found that 93 gives me a bit more milage over the 87 so the extra 30 cents is not all for nothing. The little extra milage plus less detonation... I will not recommend people to go with less than 93.
Afterall, it is your car and do as you wish, but when you sell it because the engine is knocking and not smooth... don't lie to the kids who want to buy it that you have been putting in 93 all the time. Have decency and be responsible. Btw, I do 60 miles commute everyday and calculating putting in 93 verses 87 does not cost me around 12 to 15 dollars a month that is 4 fill up in a month 10 gallon every fill up and 30 cents difference between 93 and 87. I am sure you can swing extra 15 bucks a month.
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Originally Posted by Rogazilla,Nov 10 2005, 07:26 AM
My friend's civic si with B16 and pumping in 87 caused him a lot of trouble after 40k. The valve was off and one of the valve had a chip (not sure if it is the result of detonation) but the chamber looks nasty comparing to my B16 at 90k, my engine sounds smoother, runs smoother and did one valve adjustment at 50k, never had problem. I only have the S for 10k and with higher compression ratio than the B16, I will not risk to put less than 91.
If you really have to put 87, by all mean do it but if you are running 87 or 89 will hurt performance in the long run.
I found that 93 gives me a bit more milage over the 87 so the extra 30 cents is not all for nothing. The little extra milage plus less detonation... I will not recommend people to go with less than 93.
Afterall, it is your car and do as you wish, but when you sell it because the engine is knocking and not smooth... don't lie to the kids who want to buy it that you have been putting in 93 all the time. Have decency and be responsible. Btw, I do 60 miles commute everyday and calculating putting in 93 verses 87 does not cost me around 12 to 15 dollars a month that is 4 fill up in a month 10 gallon every fill up and 30 cents difference between 93 and 87. I am sure you can swing extra 15 bucks a month.
If you really have to put 87, by all mean do it but if you are running 87 or 89 will hurt performance in the long run.
I found that 93 gives me a bit more milage over the 87 so the extra 30 cents is not all for nothing. The little extra milage plus less detonation... I will not recommend people to go with less than 93.
Afterall, it is your car and do as you wish, but when you sell it because the engine is knocking and not smooth... don't lie to the kids who want to buy it that you have been putting in 93 all the time. Have decency and be responsible. Btw, I do 60 miles commute everyday and calculating putting in 93 verses 87 does not cost me around 12 to 15 dollars a month that is 4 fill up in a month 10 gallon every fill up and 30 cents difference between 93 and 87. I am sure you can swing extra 15 bucks a month.
Fear of this happening is the reason I always use premium - but I still feel people should get their own information and make their own decisions.
Thank you for bringing information to the table rather then pointlessly flaming.