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Old Aug 23, 2017 | 04:05 AM
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I think you mean 6-9k, when VTEC changes over, which is still a wide band. If you look at the numerous dyno sheets, pre to post engagement sees like a 50 hp quick increase in the F20, which is where all those "VTEC just kicked in, yo" statements come from. As Honda continued to work with the technology, the transition got smoother, and the F22 has more power below VTEC so the bump is not as pronounced.
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Old Aug 23, 2017 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 8escape
not in my opinion, unless you mean for resale value. That's the only reason I regret selling my AP2. My ND Miata was a more enjoyable car to drive around in every other way. Ok, I admit, changing the oil was never easier than the S2000 on ANY car I've ever owned. I do miss that too. The seats were better on the S too.....that's it though. Really!
it was fun to scream the engine and still retain Japanese reliability, but the low torque and jekyl/hyde power delivery took it's toll on me. There is a true disconnect between the transmission and engine tha gets in the way of true satisfaction for me. The ND Miata is so much more cohesive and ultimately more enjoyable as a result.
Huh? I think the tranny and engine feel like a single piece of engineering from the gods. They're literally as connected as connected can be. That's one reason the car has become a modern classic.
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Old Aug 23, 2017 | 04:04 PM
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It is telling that we are comparing a new Mazda to a 18 year old Honda design. The S2000 was way out ahead and people didn't appreciate fully what it was. Honestly, the only flaw I see in the original s2000 was the insistence on a power top.
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Old Aug 23, 2017 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg Bell
It is telling that we are comparing a new Mazda to a 18 year old Honda design.
Indeed, I've made comments to this effect as well. I always find it entertaining when I still see the S2000 being referenced in the media as a point of comparison/reference for currently produced vehicles.
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Old Aug 23, 2017 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg Bell
It is telling that we are comparing a new Mazda to a 18 year old Honda design. The S2000 was way out ahead and people didn't appreciate fully what it was. Honestly, the only flaw I see in the original s2000 was the insistence on a power top.
One of my favorite features. Its so easy to put top down even if I'm drivimg a short distance, and so easy to 'secure' the vehicle when I run into a store, etc.

If it were a manual top there would be many, many times when putting top down would just be more hassle and time than I can spare.

It seems so worth the slight increase in complexity and weight. Its certainly proven to be a very reliable system.
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Old Aug 23, 2017 | 07:55 PM
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Miata gets brought up a lot because there are no other Japanese roadster on the market right now. It's the closest competitor to the S2000.
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Old Aug 24, 2017 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Car Analogy
One of my favorite features. Its so easy to put top down even if I'm drivimg a short distance, and so easy to 'secure' the vehicle when I run into a store, etc.

If it were a manual top there would be many, many times when putting top down would just be more hassle and time than I can spare.

It seems so worth the slight increase in complexity and weight. Its certainly proven to be a very reliable system.
I agree whole heartedly. I can put the top up or down in 6 seconds at a light or stop sign. Top down driving is what makes this car so much fun to drive. Perhaps a small feature but big on value to me.
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Old Aug 24, 2017 | 07:49 AM
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Some people feel an emotional reaction with the 'purity' of purpose of a car with sporting intentions. They want the car to be extremely mission focused, to the point that adding features outside that perceived mission, even if they don't have much of a drawback, can be seen as a big negative.

Another example is traction control. Even though it can be disabled at the touch of a button, its mere existence can cause a visceral reaction.

If we're honest with ourselves, we all have some of this reaction when Its our dream car, or at least a very special car. We just need to keep things in perspective.
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Old Aug 24, 2017 | 09:13 AM
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My friends Miata top is manual but it goes up and down very quickly and easily.
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Old Aug 24, 2017 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by The King
Honda got it right the first time. We'll have to agree to disagree on this point.
I've driven both back to back multiple times. Still prefer the the F22. The missing 1k rpm doesn't keep it from singing a beautiful song and the extra hp/tq across the board is nice.
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