[QUOTE]Originally posted by RandyP
[B]

Yes it does.

 

RandyP,

As you know, heel-toeing is just rev-matched downshifting while braking. Heel-toe shifting has only one purpose: to downshift smoothly while braking to avoid unsettling the suspension and causing a rear-end field trip.

"Afford" is an ambiguous term. If you're not an nine-tenths, you don't NEED the smoothness of heel-toe shifting. If you are at nine-tenths, well, you DO need it. Everything else is a shade of gray -- personally, I like making undetectable shifts, even when driving hard.

If you don't care about being smooth, and you don't drive at nine-tenths, heel-toe shifting is unnecessary.

You are correct, sir. But if you're driving hard, or if you care about keeping your beloved synchros (not to mention your clutch), well, heel-toeing is a useful (and perhaps necessary) technique.

- Warren

 

I rev match all the time and I heel-toe on those turns where i want to late brake or need a little extra. While I do not NEED to H-T every turn, and I don't) it is really nice to be able to smoothly shift and slow down. I'd think that this saves on the clucth and synchros' but even without that benefit, i'd still do t to practice SMOOTH driving.

 

RT, You are right, I may be slightly confused. Rev matching is only good when letting out the clutch. I wait until I am ready to accelerate to let out the clutch, so I don't have to heel and toe.

 

Randy,

If I may paraphrase: you shift into neutral (or hold the clutch in) while cornering, then slip the clutch out when you're past the apex to begin accelerating again.

This is certainly acceptable at low speeds with lots of grip margin -- in fact, it's probably what most people do -- but it's not very good technique near the limit. Technically, you're supposed to stay on neutral throttle (i.e. the car must be in gear, clutch out) from just before the point of turn-in, all the way through the apex, at which point you start rolling onto the gas.

If you're braking hard to set up for a corner, you've got to somehow get into the right gear to maintain your speed through the corner. If you don't revmatch, you're going to unsettle the car, and potentially cause a spin. Heel-toe shifting is the proper technique.

- Warren

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by chroot
[B]Randy,

If I may paraphrase: you shift into neutral (or hold the clutch in) while cornering, then slip the clutch out when you're past the apex to begin accelerating again.

This is certainly acceptable at low speeds with lots of grip margin -- in fact, it's probably what most people do -- but it's not very good technique near the limit.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RandyP
[B]

Yes it does.

 

compare to other cars the S2000 is very easy to do heel and toe because the brake and accel pedal are really close to each other. I mastered it in no time.

 

I guess I am still the only one who finds the brake/accelerator spacing difficult for heel/toe. I do it all the time but it is awkward, I musta been used to the near-perfect relationship on the floor-mount pedals in my 356 Porsches.

On the other hand nothing is worse to try this techniqe on than an American car....my Mustangs were hopeless in this regard.

 

man you slam your car into 1st on a downshift without double clutching and that's OK?? damn, you are mean to your car.