HP question
Originally Posted by vtec9,Feb 2 2007, 01:27 PM
Js racing engines make near 300hp, but cost almost $7k. they are balanced, blueprinted with ported and polished head, I'm sure higher compression, and used many other J's products when dynod.
Originally Posted by AssassinJN,Feb 2 2007, 11:26 AM
This alone is not possible in most states.
Can you make 300hp going NA, sure.
On american pump gas, not likely.
and street legal? only if you live in Alaska or pay someone to pass your car's inspection.
btw, auto-x and drifting are pretty much polar opposites. Choose which one you honestly want, and can afford, to do and build your car with that in mind.
Sure it's possible. Mine has it, NA too!
OH! wait...out of an S...
...yes, thats much harder.
A few things that you S guys don't often do may help you on your way there, but I think thats a high shot goal.
SOME THINGS I HAVE NOT HEARD OF YOU GUYS DOING:
Electric water pump.
Underdrive pullies (I hear of it, but not as often as I thought I would)
Short-belt bypassing the alternator
WOW! you say! ALTERNATOR!? I NEED THAT!
Well yes you do, but a 10-20 minute driving session will NOT necessitate it. Let me tell you a story. I was on my way to work in the old beat up crown-vic police car one day when it stalled at a light and I smelled burned rubber. Pulled over, got out, sure enough. Alternator had frozen up. Dad dropped a used (broken) one off with good bearings but a bad core. We bolted her on, ran the belt over her, left it un-plugged and I drove it to work and back (40 miles or so) listening to the radio but with no AC. It was fine. Mainly you need the voltage to fire the injectors, run the ECU, and your ignition system, and fuel pump along with a few other things. With a decent battery you can do this NO SWEAT! for 10-20 minutes. On a dyno on a mustang GT, I have seen as much as 15hp come from the alternator being shut-off.
switch to all synthetic fluids (I bet the S already runs that though, its worth 2-3whp).
Another thing I have not seen much of are cam(s) swaps in the S2K's I am really not sure, are the S's cam's optimal? I doubt it. Get some better rod bolts, a stroker kit, someone who is familiar with an S head, and some lighter rods/pistons and I think that you could hit your 300whp mark. Expensive? DAMN STRAIGHT!
However
These little tricks I outlined earlier will add up to around 10-15whp most likely. It is not a lot, but it is 10% of what a stock S makes. A lot of domestic guys and drag racers have done this stuff and it helps us out a lot when we "need that little something" to beat a friend we were neck/neck with yesterday. I don't see these done with S's often and though it was worth throwing the idea at you. They are cheap and easy and compared to the 10whp you get from a $1500 Mugen header...not so bad. It will give you an edge most others do not have and its pretty low-cost to boot!
The alternator by-pass is a pretty damn rare thing. I think it's a decent "secret weapon" for ya. If you go to the strip, may try the alternator AND/OR the power-steering pump. See which one gives better results (auto X I think you would want your PS).
OH! wait...out of an S...
...yes, thats much harder.
A few things that you S guys don't often do may help you on your way there, but I think thats a high shot goal.
SOME THINGS I HAVE NOT HEARD OF YOU GUYS DOING:
Electric water pump.
Underdrive pullies (I hear of it, but not as often as I thought I would)
Short-belt bypassing the alternator
WOW! you say! ALTERNATOR!? I NEED THAT!
Well yes you do, but a 10-20 minute driving session will NOT necessitate it. Let me tell you a story. I was on my way to work in the old beat up crown-vic police car one day when it stalled at a light and I smelled burned rubber. Pulled over, got out, sure enough. Alternator had frozen up. Dad dropped a used (broken) one off with good bearings but a bad core. We bolted her on, ran the belt over her, left it un-plugged and I drove it to work and back (40 miles or so) listening to the radio but with no AC. It was fine. Mainly you need the voltage to fire the injectors, run the ECU, and your ignition system, and fuel pump along with a few other things. With a decent battery you can do this NO SWEAT! for 10-20 minutes. On a dyno on a mustang GT, I have seen as much as 15hp come from the alternator being shut-off.
switch to all synthetic fluids (I bet the S already runs that though, its worth 2-3whp).
Another thing I have not seen much of are cam(s) swaps in the S2K's I am really not sure, are the S's cam's optimal? I doubt it. Get some better rod bolts, a stroker kit, someone who is familiar with an S head, and some lighter rods/pistons and I think that you could hit your 300whp mark. Expensive? DAMN STRAIGHT!
However
These little tricks I outlined earlier will add up to around 10-15whp most likely. It is not a lot, but it is 10% of what a stock S makes. A lot of domestic guys and drag racers have done this stuff and it helps us out a lot when we "need that little something" to beat a friend we were neck/neck with yesterday. I don't see these done with S's often and though it was worth throwing the idea at you. They are cheap and easy and compared to the 10whp you get from a $1500 Mugen header...not so bad. It will give you an edge most others do not have and its pretty low-cost to boot!
The alternator by-pass is a pretty damn rare thing. I think it's a decent "secret weapon" for ya. If you go to the strip, may try the alternator AND/OR the power-steering pump. See which one gives better results (auto X I think you would want your PS).
Originally Posted by N/Apower,Feb 3 2007, 04:40 AM
SOME THINGS I HAVE NOT HEARD OF YOU GUYS DOING:
Electric water pump.
Underdrive pullies (I hear of it, but not as often as I thought I would)
Short-belt bypassing the alternator
Electric water pump.
Underdrive pullies (I hear of it, but not as often as I thought I would)
Short-belt bypassing the alternator
The OP wants ITB's, 300 HP, and to be street legal, and I dare say that doing all three at the same time is quite impossible.
My car is street legal (50 states legal) at around 285 WHP, and Vortech equipped cars (also 50 states legal) make closer to 300 WHP. Being street legal means sticking with the stock ECU, and currently there is no way to use ITB's or make 300 WHP NA while retaining the stock ECU.
If you gotta be street legal and you want meaningful power gains then FI (Comptech or Vortech) is the only choice.
You're going to spend boat loads of money trying to do so. I'm not going to say "don't do it" but I will say that "you're probably not going to get ANYWHERE close." To really get 300 rwhp naturally aspirated, you're going to have to spend around 15,000 dollars, minimum. I'm not joking around here.
...or you could just spend 6k on a reliable turbo setup and be done with it.
...or you could just spend 6k on a reliable turbo setup and be done with it.



