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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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...is the car built with a front mounted engine instead of rear ... like porsches.

Characteristics of F1 include:

High revving N/A engine...check.
CART-like handling...check.
(Minor) Digital cluster...check.

Most importantly tho...
Rear mid-engine...not check

...I know it's in the s600/800 family.

My point is that this "F1-inspired" marketing by Honda is kinda sketchy because elises and porsches can be more "F1-inspired" because of the rear mount engine.

Although, when F1 started in the 50's, cars were front mounted engine...

I know s2000 is not suppose to be exact copy of F1. Honda's marketing is that it is F1 inspired.
It is the "closest" F1 experience you can get for an affordable production car.

It'd be nice hear the high revving scream from the back though because that would make the F1 experience much better than having a v8 or a "1-seater", or even paddles...do u get my point?

Is the "F1 inspired" just a marketing thing from Honda?
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 09:39 AM
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Because it isn't an F1 car?

I think the S's cockpit is what defines the car. It is so focused on the driver moreso than any other car, especially in its class.

Also the car has a front engined roadster heritage stemming from the earlier S models, Also #2, Honda made a rear engined car: NSX.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 09:42 AM
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technically, there were front-mid engines in the 60's and 70's. there were also many different engine sizes, as small as 1.8 ltr (comes close to the S2). I believe F1 tried almost everything at some point in time, including duo front axle etc.now that would lock sick in a S2 ....

now, using a porsche as f1 reference is not a good idea. for one, they never took f1 serious. and then, their flat 6 must be (besides the rotary) the only engine concept that has never made it into F1.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 09:45 AM
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It was also designed to pay homage to the original Honda roadsters, all of which were FR (front engine, rear drive) designation. It is F1 inspired, but it never said it was F1 copied. The cockpit with digital instrumentation and driver based ergonomics are what gives it that designation (along with the engine and transmission).

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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 09:50 AM
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well. Its a slippery slope. First it would be engine placement. Then people will ask how come its not paddle shifter, then they would ask why its a 4 banger and not 10. Next thing you know. They would ask why there's a passenger seat and how come we have suspensions. Hehe. It was inspired, not a street legal F1. Plus weight distribution wouldn't be 50/50 if it was mounted behind the driver. That would have been fun tho, imagine all that luggage space you will have in front of you.

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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 09:52 AM
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Because the "S" series cars have always been front/mid engined, high revving, light weight rwd cars. Its geneology. End of discussion.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 10:00 AM
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...I know it's in the s600/800 family.

My point is that this "F1-inspired" marketing by Honda is kinda sketchy because elises and porsches can be more "F1-inspired" because of the rear mount engine.

Although, when F1 started in the 50's, cars were front mounted engine...

I know s2000 is not suppose to be exact copy of F1. Honda's marketing is that it is F1 inspired.
It is the "closest" F1 experience you can get for an affordable production car.

It'd be nice hear the high revving scream from the back though because that would make the F1 experience much better than having a v8 or a "1-seater", or even paddles...do u get my point?

Is the "F1 inspired" just a marketing thing from Honda?
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 10:11 AM
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Honda did place the engine further back behind the front axle in order to give it a weight distro close to 50/50.

IMO, we're better off not having the mid engine bc it would make it harder for us to work on them ourselves.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 10:25 AM
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Porsche and Elise has nothing to do with Honda so I don't know why that can be an argument as to why Honda can't say that the S2000 was F1 inspired. The thing to keep in mind here is not the placement of the motor but rather the driving experience. The feel inside the cockpit in a perfectly balanced machine with a high-rev motor.
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Old Jan 17, 2008 | 11:01 AM
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You missed some stuff:

Paddle shifters shifting in 60ms
7 speed tranny auto clutch
open wheel (no fenders)
Intake above the head
1 seat (or at least driver's seat in the middle)
Carbon Fiber body
ABS on/off button
16,000+ rpms


And Porsche isn't rear engine, it's mid. Ferrari is rear. Technically the S is mid, everything sits behind the front axle. Want F1 street car? Get an Enzo or an Atom.

......It's close enough to F1 for me, I love the gauges, roadster platform, makes me feel like Schumacher when ever I start it with the button.
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