[QUOTE]Originally posted by meat:
[B]I would have to say that the ITR is probably easier to drive fast than the S2000.

The S2000 is a convertible, which is awesome in its own right.

S2000 costs $10K more.

S2000 is a Honda (Honda service and warranty).

Both great cars, different though.

 

Integra Type R vs. S2000- I still have both and both are modified...

Type R- based on a very old chassis, which means, of course, that it has all the best design atttributes of a 8+years of design advances... NOT! What is does have, though, is that many more years of handling and tuning refinement in the aftermarket industry, which makes it a prime candidate for tuning. My Type R is significantly faster than my S2000. It is also significantly more modified too- engine, suspension, brakes, chassis, tires, wheels etc... vs. the simple boltons on the S2000 currently. The Type R's mods are also much less expensive...

The Type R is also not a typical FF car- Bone stock, it is more neutral handling than the Integra GSR, and the LSD really makes a difference coming off a corner. With suspension mods it can be as tail happy as the S2000...

S2000- We all know how the S2000 handles, so I won't go into much detail. I don't think too many companies really know how to maximise the chassis yet, but within two or three years we will see the trend narrow down to a "standard". I also think that there is still room for the car to get quicker- we shaved 4 seconds off our times at GingerMan with a simple swaybar, header, ECM swap and brake ducting. We also learned that the car likes higher tire pressures that what we initially thought- 39f/34r seemed to work the best at GingerMan.

In conclusion, I know my Type R is significantly faster than my S2000 on the track. It is also safer (roof over my head). However, since the S2000 has only been out for such a short period of time, I think that future aftermarket products will help unleash the potential of the car. I think ultimately it will be about 5-6% faster than my Type R, when modified to a similiar extent. As it currently stands, the S2000 is more fun, but the Type R is a more effective track weapon.

-Nick

[This message has been edited by GTRPower (edited November 10, 2000).]

 

http://s2000.vtec.net/handling/s2000_handling.html

 

Ugh...this snap oversteer concept is so overplayed, IMO.

Notice the last line of the article you cited: "Personally, I like it, but a little understeer is more comforting for us FWD guys."

Also, did you read that article? It is merely a dressed-up way of saying that the rear will drift fast if you let off the gas coming out of a turn at the limit. The article presumes that you know all about the snap oversteer "problem."

It's actually quite a good examination of the options for dampening oversteer on the stock tuning, but c'mon, the thesis is pure common sense. I still don't see how this is a fault in the s2000's stock steering.

 

I guess the overall feeling is that the type r is directed towards track performance and the s2000 is a fun car for the streets offering racy performance.

fair enough. i just have to decide now. i'm going to post a topic on insurance rates.