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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by dolebludger,Jan 10 2006, 12:05 AM
And if you are straight like me, do you have any gay friends? Well, I do, and most of them drive Mercedes, and own more than one or two. Does that make Mercedes a "gay" car?
My one gay friend drives the following: 1997 Acura Integra Type-R, 2005 Lotus Elise Sport package, Ford F-350 and a 83 Mazda RX7 (street driven to the track parts car for his 83 RX-7 SCCA club racing car).

So I guess all of those.. and mercedes are gay cars. lol
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by wupike,Jan 10 2006, 04:29 PM
that could've possibly been THE dumbest article I've ever read.
Why's that? Because REAL men grab their stick? The point of his article was to question why we hang on the ritual of manually shifting gears when it's unnecessary. For me it's a simple answer, there are times when I love driving a stick and there are times when I love driving an automatic, that's why I own two of each, not counting my wife's car. Really, I've read a lot dumber articles than that one.

As a counter-point to his article I would share with him that my daughter was 'taught' to drive a automatic in driver's training but she didn't learn how to 'drive' a car until I insisted she get a car with a manul transmission to force her to think about her driving instead of having her mind wonder off.
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 12:22 PM
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What comes to mind when I read something like that is a person that has no idea what the hell they have gotten themselves into. In rebuttal to his slanted point of view of the S2k, I have to say he should drive more real sports cars or even a race car to truly understand where Honda was going with this car when they blessed the world with it.

Plain and simple (In my Personal opinion) - The S2000 is one of the most pure yet raw cars ever made. When you think of the driving experience in a High performance car, it shouldn't be clouded by millions of buttons on the dash doing cool things that you don't need. The driving experience should be focused down to your 5 senses plus......visualize your path, smell your clutch, brakes, and tires, feel the road and breeze passed your brow, hear the engine scream for more...and taste true happiness behind the wheel of such an amazing machine.
I'm not a religious man, but I belive that there is a god, and he does love us. In a world of inconsistency, death and destruction, the one thing that can ease the mind after a hard days work is hitting the open road with the top down.

People have become so concerned with fluff. The S2000 is a drivers car, in its 5 years on the streets, and courses of the world, it has sealed itself as a legendary piece of mechanical & technological genius.

I'm not a writer but thats actually what it should have read like. That guy needs to go back to school.
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 12:24 PM
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I wonder if this guy has been driving manual for more than a few months. Up shifting takes zero thought, and creates zero distraction. For anyone whos been driving manual any reasonable amount of time, it has become innate. Downshifting/rev matching takes about .0001 seconds of thought.
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rosodigital,Jan 10 2006, 01:22 PM
What comes to mind when I read something like that is a person that has no idea what the hell they have gotten themselves into. In rebuttal to his slanted point of view of the S2k, I have to say he should drive more real sports cars or even a race car to truly understand where Honda was going with this car when they blessed the world with it.

Plain and simple (In my Personal opinion) - The S2000 is one of the most pure yet raw cars ever made. When you think of the driving experience in a High performance car, it shouldn't be clouded by millions of buttons on the dash doing cool things that you don't need. The driving experience should be focused down to your 5 senses plus......visualize your path, smell your clutch, brakes, and tires, feel the road and breeze passed your brow, hear the engine scream for more...and taste true happiness behind the wheel of such an amazing machine.
I'm not a religious man, but I belive that there is a god, and he does love us. In a world of inconsistency, death and destruction, the one thing that can ease the mind after a hard days work is hitting the open road with the top down.

People have become so concerned with fluff. The S2000 is a drivers car, in its 5 years on the streets, and courses of the world, it has sealed itself as a legendary piece of mechanical & technological genius.

I'm not a writer but thats actually what it should have read like. That guy needs to go back to school.
well put, I couldn't agree more... I am hopelessly in love with everything this car symbolizes
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dlq04,Jan 10 2006, 04:14 PM
Why's that? Because REAL men grab their stick? The point of his article was to question why we hang on the ritual of manually shifting gears when it's unnecessary. For me it's a simple answer, there are times when I love driving a stick and there are times when I love driving an automatic, that's why I own two of each, not counting my wife's car. Really, I've read a lot dumber articles than that one.

As a counter-point to his article I would share with him that my daughter was 'taught' to drive a automatic in driver's training but she didn't learn how to 'drive' a car until I insisted she get a car with a manul transmission to force her to think about her driving instead of having her mind wonder off.
I don't believe that manually shifting gears is unnecessary. Unless the author can provide some sort of numbers (i.e. of all accidents in the US, how many were caused by MT drivers?), I don't see where he gets that MT cars are less safe to drive...

You (being the preverbial you) can say that automatics are more dangerous based on the fact that you only need to hit the gas and steer (ironically it's just like a golf cart). This gives the driver a whole bunch of free time to sip their lattes, read the newspaper (I've seen it happen) and do other, non-driving actions while driving.

If you like driving an automatic, cool. more power to ya. I personally don't. But as far as saying the MT cars are antiquated and "fundamentally unsafe" is just plain retarded.

Maybe it's just me, I learned how to drive in a MT car, it's second nature for me, and its never endangered me one bit.

I'm sure I've read worse articles, this one just stood out.
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 01:05 PM
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I realize that shifting can become a natural instinctive event and I am sure the author of that piece knows it as well. But I also know that shifting can upset the balance of a car, something many novice S2000 owners have found out the hard way. I discovered I was not emmuned to it myself. Here's a excerpt from my driver's log book, "I did my first 180 degree spin-off while braking and downshifting to 2nd gear approaching turn 10, the most important corner. This was just prior to stopping for the tire readings. There was a lot of rubber on the road there and I shifted too late (in the turn with the front wheels turned in, the rear end got light and it was around before I knew it.) No harm done." I lost focus for just a split-second as my mind drifted to the pre-arrangements made with two crew members for stopping in the pits to take tire temperature. If I were driving an automatic I doubt if the results would have been the same. I am not trying to side with the author but I am saying he's entitled to his views, if for no other reason than to make people question things.
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 01:16 PM
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[QUOTE=dlq04,Jan 10 2006, 02:05 PM]I realize that shifting can become a natural instinctive event and I am sure the author of that piece knows it as well.
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Old Jan 10, 2006 | 01:45 PM
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His facts are off is the main reason I thought the article was of no interest.

Its called an s2000 because of its displacement, not because its the year 2000 and it sounds cool.
Who drives an s2000 at 3000 rpm for performance? Not me.
Other than that, It wasn't that bad of an review.
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Old Jan 11, 2006 | 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by rosodigital,Jan 10 2006, 01:22 PM
What comes to mind when I read something like that is a person that has no idea what the hell they have gotten themselves into. In rebuttal to his slanted point of view of the S2k, I have to say he should drive more real sports cars or even a race car to truly understand where Honda was going with this car when they blessed the world with it.

Plain and simple (In my Personal opinion) - The S2000 is one of the most pure yet raw cars ever made. When you think of the driving experience in a High performance car, it shouldn't be clouded by millions of buttons on the dash doing cool things that you don't need. The driving experience should be focused down to your 5 senses plus......visualize your path, smell your clutch, brakes, and tires, feel the road and breeze passed your brow, hear the engine scream for more...and taste true happiness behind the wheel of such an amazing machine.
I'm not a religious man, but I belive that there is a god, and he does love us. In a world of inconsistency, death and destruction, the one thing that can ease the mind after a hard days work is hitting the open road with the top down.

People have become so concerned with fluff. The S2000 is a drivers car, in its 5 years on the streets, and courses of the world, it has sealed itself as a legendary piece of mechanical & technological genius.

I'm not a writer but thats actually what it should have read like. That guy needs to go back to school.
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