is this really s3000?
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As much as every other S3000 Photoshop job out there:
https://www.google.com/search?q=s300...w=1677&bih=929
https://www.google.com/search?q=s300...w=1677&bih=929
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Originally Posted by AP1Driver' timestamp='1359270366' post='22295575
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So why am I not driving an S2200?
So why am I not driving an S2200?
: 2L Inline-4, less than 170 lb-ft, 9,000 rpm redline with peak power at over 8k. All they saw was 240hp and were like "wow, that little thing has as much power as my antique boat anchor. It should be able to "BURN EM". And then they realize that it actually has to be beat hard to operate as intended, isn't made for drag racing (stock anyway) and requires more skill than most have to drive it correctly. And then "It sucks out of the hole-needs more torque". The very people who have no business in an S2K.. In truth the design flaws (oil consumption specifically) were likely the main culprit, but wait... Most of the other side of the ocean got the updated F20C til 09. Maybe the design wasn't the culprit... 
Sorry to rant lol. Been waiting on something to be said about the badging nomenclature forever and here it is. The S should have been left alone with the F20C IMO- it's better that way. Want more mid range? Buy a GT500. Again, Sorry to rant 
.. (Not really 
) But I do agree with everyone about the artist's concept in this post: Not likely an S, considering the lineage of the S being all roadsters. A new S that didn't look radically different from the AP1/2 with a hybrid version of the C32B would be bad ass! Especially if they could keep the curb weight after full fluids below 2,800lb..
My point was, Honda doesn't *HAVE* to put a 3000cc in a car they named the "S3000" (if that ever happened) because drumroll.... they haven't followed that nomenclature throughout the years as proved by my 2200cc'd s2000.
(even the s800 didn't technically have quite a 800cc motor either, though, 790 is obviously very close).
But once again, amazing rant, glad you got that off your chest. Seems like that's just been boiling and boiling in there.
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Thanks
. I'm not hatin on the AP2 drivers either, dont get that idea. I just don't and never will get the big deal about the F22's torque band: I drove an 07 with 10k on the odo and said then, and now, that there is such a small difference in mid range that 99.9% of people would NEVER notice. It's not at all better than an F20 other than it doesn't burn oil due to a better machining process. Even car and driver admitted in 04 when they tested the ap2v1 that the S had LOST some performance with the updates. If THEIR butt dynos felt a difference, it's definitely there. Just saying.
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Thanks . I'm not hatin on the AP2 drivers either, dont get that idea. I just don't and never will get the big deal about the F22's torque band: I drove an 07 with 10k on the odo and said then, and now, that there is such a
small difference in mid range that 99.9% of people would NEVER notice. It's not at all better than an F20 other than it doesn't burn oil due to a better machining process. Even car and driver admitted in 04 when they tested the ap2v1 that the S had LOST some performance with the updates. If THEIR butt dynos felt a difference, it's definitely there. Just saying.
. I'm not hatin on the AP2 drivers either, dont get that idea. I just don't and never will get the big deal about the F22's torque band: I drove an 07 with 10k on the odo and said then, and now, that there is such a small difference in mid range that 99.9% of people would NEVER notice. It's not at all better than an F20 other than it doesn't burn oil due to a better machining process. Even car and driver admitted in 04 when they tested the ap2v1 that the S had LOST some performance with the updates. If THEIR butt dynos felt a difference, it's definitely there. Just saying.
For someone like me who has the above done + increased redline along with the custom tune, there is no argument whatsoever for the AP1/F20. It only has 500 more rpm in the top end, and considerably lower power/torque in the midrange. All this is to say, the F22 is the superior motor all said and done. Stock vs. stock there may be little difference, but once you start modding the extra displacement really helps it rise above.
Enough beating that dead horse
By the way, I mean no offense by any of this. Just presenting information.
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i love how almost every thread ends up turning into an AP1 vs. AP2 debate...shits kinda getting old...it is what it is, some people are AP1 people, some people are AP2 people, why cant we just leave it at that instead of always turning it into a pissing contest?
