Red Light Cameras
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From: La Crescenta, CA
California, as usual, stands at to cutting edge of invasion of privacy, overregulation, and police state mentality. There are cool, clear plastic lenses that fit between the rear license plate and its holder that shield the image of the plate from the camera. However, this is now illegal in California,
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From: Fort Collins
I believe in Colorado you are not obligated to pay a photo radar ticket (you only have to pay when an officer physically hands something to you), and even if you do pay, you don't recieve any points on your record.
Know the law! This could be the case in many states and you just don't know it.
Know the law! This could be the case in many states and you just don't know it.
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From: Fort Collins
Well, that's what I get for listening to my girlfriend's mom! That is not true about Colorado. I called the court house and if you don't want to pay you have to contest it (you can contest by mail). You still don't get points though.
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From: Houston, Texas
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Strike
[B]I have a couple of problems with these cameras:
2) How are you going to feel when you go out of town for a week, loan your car to your nephew, he runs a red light, for whatever reason you don't see the ticket, and a warrant is issued for your arrest?
[B]I have a couple of problems with these cameras:
2) How are you going to feel when you go out of town for a week, loan your car to your nephew, he runs a red light, for whatever reason you don't see the ticket, and a warrant is issued for your arrest?
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From: Havre de Grace, Maryland
On a more somber note, had it not been for the camera my family and I would not have known who killed our loved one.
Sorry to put this way but we all have to think about those who really push our laws to the limits and we just do not have the number of law enforcement officer to be everywhere. The use cameras in trafic control is in almost every other civilized country in the world, why not here. Obviously there are limits but it is up to us to tell our elected officials what the limits are. If you do not want to pay for your violations do not do the crime. I for one never run a red light. I do have to say that under the correct conditions I am moving rather fast.
I think we need to say what the limits should be. Voice your opinion to your elected officials. Not enough of us write to them and give our $.02. For those who do not think that they are listening, test them, they will be listen.
God what a statement from me, please do not take it the wrong way. I do believe we need to preserve our privacy.
Sorry to put this way but we all have to think about those who really push our laws to the limits and we just do not have the number of law enforcement officer to be everywhere. The use cameras in trafic control is in almost every other civilized country in the world, why not here. Obviously there are limits but it is up to us to tell our elected officials what the limits are. If you do not want to pay for your violations do not do the crime. I for one never run a red light. I do have to say that under the correct conditions I am moving rather fast.
I think we need to say what the limits should be. Voice your opinion to your elected officials. Not enough of us write to them and give our $.02. For those who do not think that they are listening, test them, they will be listen.
God what a statement from me, please do not take it the wrong way. I do believe we need to preserve our privacy.
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From: On the lakefront...
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OK, fascinating debate here. I admit to not reading the article cited in Schatten's first post here, but I understand the argument as it has been discussed here and other places of interest of mine. I thought I'd offer my opinion, but take it for what it's worth and remember what you paid for it!
Quite honestly, the mentality that leads to the silly and invasive measure that took place recently in NYC, where they banned handheld cell phones while driving, is the exact mentality that leads to these sorts of things coming to fruition. It's the whole slippery slope kind of thing. But yes, one of the most aggravating and unsafe things on the road are nimrods who run red lights. It pisses me off and I have almost been in wrecks due to other people's outright disregard of that law. Oh btw, due to the bloody collisions that were occuring in Central Park, I understand that it is now a law that JOGGERS must wear helmets while running in Central Park to prevent the bloodshed in a collision with a cyclist. Crazy...no doubt that non-compliance will result in a fine...see the connection?
Pretty soon, we'll have a completely safe and a completely restricted society, ala Singapore, where even chewing gum is illegal...that would a very bad thing if an errant used piece of gum became stuck to someone's shoe which is pristine, because dirt was finally outlawed, then after that they outlawed dirty shoes...do you see where I am going? It's easy for government to get the results they want out of the governed when they can regualte, fine and threaten with punishment the governed into compliance, by whatever means necessary.
For me, it's a question of where lines are drawn and that slope gets steeper and steeper. That said, I think that the good outwieghs the bad if this camera gig were to move forward...and you can be it WILL move forward (IMO, the gov't's main job is to devise creative ways to separate the governed from their hard earned dollars, which oddly are published by said government)
However, given that I personally believe that we are on a slippery slope in so many ways as it relates to gov't's role in our day to day lives, that in isolation, this is a fabulous thing. I'm all for it. However, it's not an isolated thing. There will be more intrusive activities taken by the gov't in the name of protecting the governed, and they will use this as an example as to how well the gov't works to protect us from each other and from ourselves.
And YES, I realize that running red lights is ALREADY illegal and everytime someone runs one, I would like to see them ticketed. However, I've got serious questions about the slope and how this increases the angle of the slope and the amount of Mobil 1 that it is greased with.
Strike, you bring up very good points. I think your second one needs to be addressed, in particular...I hope someone can come up with an explanation as to how it is alleviated. I escaped the jail known as high school in 1984, like you, perhaps there is hope that you and I actually DO have something in common?!
Rowland, first let me say that I'm glad that whatever situation you were in where you lost your loved one was resolved by a camera at an intersection. That's awesome. I don't think, however, that anyone (I know I am not) is saying that this kind of thing would NEVER serve some kind of benefit. I'm trying to address the big picture. I see this kind of action as another notch, an incremental step into more and more gov't crap in our lives.
drogers, that is one my very favorite pieces of brilliance from Mr. Ben Franklin...very appropriate here, IMO...
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<going to have a beer now and watch the fireworks show that I just started here>
Oh, Brazil is probably my ALL TIME favorite film. I have the Criterion Collection on DVD...I have seen the film countless dozens of times...absolutely fascinating piece of work. Rent it if you haven't seen it.
OK, fascinating debate here. I admit to not reading the article cited in Schatten's first post here, but I understand the argument as it has been discussed here and other places of interest of mine. I thought I'd offer my opinion, but take it for what it's worth and remember what you paid for it!
Quite honestly, the mentality that leads to the silly and invasive measure that took place recently in NYC, where they banned handheld cell phones while driving, is the exact mentality that leads to these sorts of things coming to fruition. It's the whole slippery slope kind of thing. But yes, one of the most aggravating and unsafe things on the road are nimrods who run red lights. It pisses me off and I have almost been in wrecks due to other people's outright disregard of that law. Oh btw, due to the bloody collisions that were occuring in Central Park, I understand that it is now a law that JOGGERS must wear helmets while running in Central Park to prevent the bloodshed in a collision with a cyclist. Crazy...no doubt that non-compliance will result in a fine...see the connection?
Pretty soon, we'll have a completely safe and a completely restricted society, ala Singapore, where even chewing gum is illegal...that would a very bad thing if an errant used piece of gum became stuck to someone's shoe which is pristine, because dirt was finally outlawed, then after that they outlawed dirty shoes...do you see where I am going? It's easy for government to get the results they want out of the governed when they can regualte, fine and threaten with punishment the governed into compliance, by whatever means necessary.
For me, it's a question of where lines are drawn and that slope gets steeper and steeper. That said, I think that the good outwieghs the bad if this camera gig were to move forward...and you can be it WILL move forward (IMO, the gov't's main job is to devise creative ways to separate the governed from their hard earned dollars, which oddly are published by said government)
However, given that I personally believe that we are on a slippery slope in so many ways as it relates to gov't's role in our day to day lives, that in isolation, this is a fabulous thing. I'm all for it. However, it's not an isolated thing. There will be more intrusive activities taken by the gov't in the name of protecting the governed, and they will use this as an example as to how well the gov't works to protect us from each other and from ourselves.
And YES, I realize that running red lights is ALREADY illegal and everytime someone runs one, I would like to see them ticketed. However, I've got serious questions about the slope and how this increases the angle of the slope and the amount of Mobil 1 that it is greased with.
Strike, you bring up very good points. I think your second one needs to be addressed, in particular...I hope someone can come up with an explanation as to how it is alleviated. I escaped the jail known as high school in 1984, like you, perhaps there is hope that you and I actually DO have something in common?!
Rowland, first let me say that I'm glad that whatever situation you were in where you lost your loved one was resolved by a camera at an intersection. That's awesome. I don't think, however, that anyone (I know I am not) is saying that this kind of thing would NEVER serve some kind of benefit. I'm trying to address the big picture. I see this kind of action as another notch, an incremental step into more and more gov't crap in our lives.
drogers, that is one my very favorite pieces of brilliance from Mr. Ben Franklin...very appropriate here, IMO...
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<going to have a beer now and watch the fireworks show that I just started here>
Oh, Brazil is probably my ALL TIME favorite film. I have the Criterion Collection on DVD...I have seen the film countless dozens of times...absolutely fascinating piece of work. Rent it if you haven't seen it.