S2000 at altitude sucks...
Originally posted by steve c
Overall I am left with the impression that cars like the S2000 which require high revs and have low torque are not meant for 5200 feet of elevation.
Overall I am left with the impression that cars like the S2000 which require high revs and have low torque are not meant for 5200 feet of elevation.
I stayed at high altitude for a few days and it was quite obvious when I dropped back down below 3000 feet. Suddenly I had power again.

I enjoy the car much more at my home altitude of 350 feet.
Isn't the ECU supposed to compensate for this or is that too much to ask? Since being mile high is my only frame of reference, it never occurred to me that perhaps I should have it adjusted for altitude. As I mentioned earlier, my trip up Mount Evans seemed to go quite smoothly and I even think the two 911s I was driving with suffered more of a performance hit (but both had passengers). Anything short of a turbo that can get back some of the performance? I guess it's all relative, though, since every automobile is puffing a bit in the lower oxygen levels.
Nope, gotta have a turbo (the latest 911 turbo apparently can maintain optimal peak power all the way up to 8000 feet or so - takes longer to build peak boost, but its a small price compared to an NA car).
I suspect the reason that the S2000 transitions to VTEC at higher rpms at higher altitude relates to the power curve. With less atmosphere, you're moving less air for a given rpm point. Which means that the smaller cam may be o.k. to a higher rpm point. Certainly doesn't feel any more abrupt or like the power takes a downturn when the transition point moves up. Might be referenced to manifold vacuum, which would be higher at altitude and look the engine like it was not quite at full throttle relative to sea level.
UL
I suspect the reason that the S2000 transitions to VTEC at higher rpms at higher altitude relates to the power curve. With less atmosphere, you're moving less air for a given rpm point. Which means that the smaller cam may be o.k. to a higher rpm point. Certainly doesn't feel any more abrupt or like the power takes a downturn when the transition point moves up. Might be referenced to manifold vacuum, which would be higher at altitude and look the engine like it was not quite at full throttle relative to sea level.
UL
Yup. There is a reason why the turbo chargers were first used by the aeronautic engineers before they were borrowed by the automotive engineers 

Originally posted by ultimate lurker
Nope, gotta have a turbo ...UL
Nope, gotta have a turbo ...UL
Originally posted by bash
Isn't the ECU supposed to compensate for this or is that too much to ask? Since being mile high is my only frame of reference, it never occurred to me that perhaps I should have it adjusted for altitude. As I mentioned earlier, my trip up Mount Evans seemed to go quite smoothly and I even think the two 911s I was driving with suffered more of a performance hit (but both had passengers). Anything short of a turbo that can get back some of the performance? I guess it's all relative, though, since every automobile is puffing a bit in the lower oxygen levels.
Isn't the ECU supposed to compensate for this or is that too much to ask? Since being mile high is my only frame of reference, it never occurred to me that perhaps I should have it adjusted for altitude. As I mentioned earlier, my trip up Mount Evans seemed to go quite smoothly and I even think the two 911s I was driving with suffered more of a performance hit (but both had passengers). Anything short of a turbo that can get back some of the performance? I guess it's all relative, though, since every automobile is puffing a bit in the lower oxygen levels.
Yes, the ECU is supposed to compensate and guess what, it "is" compensating!
It's adjusting the fuel flow so that the engine is still getting a proper mixture as the air thins out at higher altitudes. Unfortunately, it can't do anything about the air thinning out. The only thing that will help that is a supercharger or turbocharger.If you think the S is bad at altitude with fuel injection, you should try it with an old fashioned carburator.
It could definitely be worse.
Drive Safe,
Steve R.
I have not been to 5200 in it, but Asheville and the twisties around there seem more responsive and powerful in the S2000 than at home in Myrtle Beach, SC when its 100 degrees and 100% humidity.
Cooler weather wins out atleast for me...
Cooler weather wins out atleast for me...




