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Old Jan 15, 2004 | 05:57 AM
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As a new S2000 owner and previous owner of a Boxster S, C-5 Corvette and Audi TT I am amazed at the stories of how "skitzee" this car is in cold or wet weather because of the tires. I'm amazed no one has sued Honda after having an accident. None of my other cars had any such problems with their tires and they were all good handling cars (especially the Porsche). It seems to me that these tires are extreme for the general public. Knowing these limitations and being a fair driver I can cope but surely will replace them with another model/brand when they have worn. I just think about the average person who purchases an S2000 because it's a cool looking little sports car and is oblivious to all of this.
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Old Jan 15, 2004 | 06:03 AM
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You should write in bold IMO in there somewhere. I've had no problems with my car when I was running on the S02s. It's all a matter of being conscious of your environment. For anyone to sue Honda over using Hi-Performance tires on a sports car/roadster would be utterly insane. The average person might be oblivious but it's within reason that they know their limitations and understand what they purchased. Ignorance is not Honda's responsibility.
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Old Jan 15, 2004 | 06:08 AM
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Amen Brutha Dan! It's like fat people sueing fast food resturants b/c the food is "unhealthy"...DUH! Its a sports car, not an Accord. Therefore, you have to learn to drive it. Oftentimes, you will see a new owner ask "what mod should I do first". Eight out ten reponders say "driving school".
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Old Jan 15, 2004 | 06:14 AM
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I agree with turbo_pwr. Besides most of those accidents (judging by their own postings) have driver error in common.

I won't do even 70 on my daily car when its pouring out and yet some people seem to think that it is the S02s fault when they spin out doing 85in in VTEC in the pouring rain.

I have driven the S at the Dragon in light rain at full throttle. No big deal as I adapted to the conditions (wider turns, longer braking, no gunning).

IMO. It is a high performance car but due to its relatively low price there are people who buy it and try to pretend it is just another souped up FWD car. And they don't drive it like they should.

I mean, Don't you think that after reading 4-5 posts of that nature people woulc be more careful... so why on earth is there a post like it every month?....
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Old Jan 15, 2004 | 06:16 AM
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I disagree. The OEM tires are well matched to the car. They are summer-only tires and do not perform well below 40* F and are dangerous when it snows or there is ice, just like any top performing OEM Porsche tire. In fact, the Bridgestone SO2 was OEM spec on some Boxsters.

Is your car new? If so, give the tires a little time to scrub in. If not, be sure that they are not worn out. Also, bear in mind that the S2000 is several hundred pounds lighter than the Boxster S and there is much less weight over the rear wheels. It isn't as easy to drive at the limit as the mid-engine Porsches, but it is just as fast (if not faster ), and a lot of fun.

It concerns me that you're advocating a lawsuit for something so driver-dependent. If Honda wasn't brave enough to deliver a well-balanced spirited roadster, we'd all have to suffer with understeering pigs like the Audi TT . Learn the unique manners of the S2000 and enjoy!
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Old Jan 15, 2004 | 06:21 AM
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Sorry, I disagree. I personally don't have a problem. But I read about all of those who do on this and other forums and it is disconcerting. The juvinile argument that DUH it's a sports car does not address something that is obviously a safety issue. There are many other tires that have similar performance capabilities that do not exhibit such poor (and dangerous) wet and cold weather traction. I also own a supercharged Miata with Azenis tires which have almost no tread pattern and will way out-corner the So2's. Even they do not perform as poorly in similar conditions. I'm not suggesting someone should sue Honda, only surprised that it has not happened. Not veryone who purchases sports cars is a driving enthusiast. I have attended numerous driving schools and have done some autocrossing and I love my S2000 (So2's and all), I'm just saying that to me I think Honda has picked a tire with too many flaws compared to others on the market.
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Old Jan 15, 2004 | 06:55 AM
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only to ignorant, unexperienced, reckless drivers.
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Old Jan 15, 2004 | 06:57 AM
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john you really are arguing a moot point since the S02s aren't used on any of the new 04 models. So if you want to be right then Honda has already addressed this issue.
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Old Jan 15, 2004 | 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by john hood
Sorry, I disagree. I personally don't have a problem. But I read about all of those who do on this and other forums and it is disconcerting. The juvinile argument that DUH it's a sports car does not address something that is obviously a safety issue. There are many other tires that have similar performance capabilities that do not exhibit such poor (and dangerous) wet and cold weather traction. I also own a supercharged Miata with Azenis tires which have almost no tread pattern and will way out-corner the So2's. Even they do not perform as poorly in similar conditions. I'm not suggesting someone should sue Honda, only surprised that it has not happened. Not veryone who purchases sports cars is a driving enthusiast. I have attended numerous driving schools and have done some autocrossing and I love my S2000 (So2's and all), I'm just saying that to me I think Honda has picked a tire with too many flaws compared to others on the market.

So sue.

I don't really understand the point of this. You don't have a problem with the tires, but you seem to be creating one just for argument's sake. As others have said, most of the accidents that you've been reading about have included some sort of driver error. I've been driving on mis-matched front and rear tires for months, which most owners on the board will tell you is far worse than driving on SO2's. Guess what...I haven't crashed.

I guess I just don't understand the point of this post.
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Old Jan 15, 2004 | 07:03 AM
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Unfortunately, many folks are ignorant and unexperienced, that's exactly my point. Although it doesn't necessarily seem that one must be reckless to experience a problem with these tires.... my other point. Many people who buy a sports car never go to a website or forum for advice.
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