Yes sir.
In my car control class, we experienced this by going around a circle on the skidpad while keeping the same steering angle and gently increasing our speed.
Same steering angle + more speed = greater radius.

 

Hmmm...

It makes perfect sense, but why is it that my Prelude didnt do this?

 

My car (2004 AP2) does the same thing as the OP's. He is not talking about typical front wheel drive understeer where you go into a turn too fast and the front end pushes out. This is different, you are not at the steering limit, or the limit of the tires.

On an on or off ramp, the car's direction changes slightly with the throttle input while keeping the steering angle constant. I think that this may have to do with weight shifting from the from tires to the rear, but I don't know.

 

ok you are used to a fwd car and when you do it with that it pulls you through the corner. like a 4wd car does when it slips and kicks the power up front.

now i'm not saying that you are slipping but it just isn't pulling you through the way ludes do.

 

It doesn't make any sense that your car is magically drifting outwards if you are nowhere near losing traction and the angle of the turn doesn't change.
Perhaps it is because I drive an ap1? But my car only gives a hint of changed direction when I'm on bumpy surfaces or if I'm about to oversteer/understeer.

Either way, I don't really understand the point of this question. I really don't know why you'd be keeping your wheel completely motionless when you're making a turn anyway, don't most people adjust it to match the turn? If you're just doing this to test something out, then I also fail to see the purpose? I just drive my car daily normally and I don't really notice any peculiar things. I went from fwd -> rwd not too long ago. The only thing I changed in my driving habits was not to break/let off gas suddenly/mess up the balance in any way during turns. Besides that I really didn't feel anything too different, besides the obvious handling capability increase. Are preludes really that different?

 

The way the SH Preludes FWD system works (ATTS), is that it puts more power only to the outside wheel in a turn. When you are applying more power(throttle) in the SH the outer wheel is getting more power therefore pushing that front side of the car towards center. This is how the SH gets its more neutral/oversteer feel compared to other FWD cars and defying common knowledge. Of course this is all within the grip limits of the tires.

The S2000 doesn't have that sort of diff. so it does what it's supposed to and pushes out the faster it goes within grip levels.

 

I'm just going to be "that guy" and say: newb driver = confusing post.

case closed?

In an attempt to not be that guy.. let's use some common sense. A car doesn't just magically start moving laterally while maintaining traction at all wheels. You're either doing something wrong, interpreting something wrong, or both. If you move off of your line without a steering input - you are either under-steering, over-steering, or a little of both.

I am going to say you are for sure under-steering. I will take the next step and say the reason you assume you are only using the car to "20%" of it's ability yet this is happening is because you are turning in an extremely improper / inefficient manner causing your car to push and thus relative to you, corner much slower than it is actually capable.

Your Prelude had the SH helping out with traction up front and I assume most likely better tires or perhaps alignment making it more capable with your style of driving than however your S2000 currently is. That's pretty bad but it seems like the only answer.. though not the best because your S2000 should still not push like that where a Prelude did not.

 

vtec ftw-

I think you know exactly what I'm talking about. I first noticed it on freeway onramps/ offramps too. Its just odd feeling having to adjust the steering angle. It feels very similiar to weight transfer, as if the front end gets a little light and pushes wide as you roll onto the throttle.


hellspare-

The point of my discussion is to find it 1) if this is normal and 2) to see if it can be adjusted. Clearly, a few people know/ have experienced what I'm talking about so I'm not too concerned now with something being abnormal.

nuklearmaniac86-
I agree it might be the ATTS but I didnt know the ATTS was activated under such mild conditons.


Did they change the aligment specs for Ap1/Ap2? I do know they went with biggers rims and tires and tried to stop "snap" oversteer issues with the Ap1.

 

Rich@Empower-

Haha... trying to be politically correct?

But honestly, I know the limits of the car. I know when I push to hard and VSA comes on... but in this case there is nothing, no screeching, no tire noises, no scrubbing, nada. I would probably say I'm even within the speed limit for on-ramps/ offramps before I start rolling onto the throttle.

Also, while I'm kinda newb to the S2000... I've been a honda fan and enthusiast for about 15 years. I also took my Prelude several times to track events like Streets of Willow, etc and I know the proper line, rev-matching, etc. The whole slow-in, apex, fast out. Again, I'm not throwing the car into the turn and blindly stabbing the throttle.

I have open ears for tips though.

 

[QUOTE=nas00,Oct 21 2008, 06:27 PM] The point of my discussion is to find it 1) if this is normal and 2) to see if it can be adjusted.