It wasn't much the lateral movement of the car that caused him to lose control as much as the front end suddenly catching traction while the rear end was still moving faster. The VSA cut off the power from the rear to adjust with the movement at the front.

 

And yet, when that happened on the track this past weekend to me, I was able to keep the car on track even without VSA. Why? Because I was *expecting* the front wheels to catch first and was ready for it.

I personally doubt his assertion that a skilled and experienced driver would not have been able to save his car on this greasy on-ramp. However, it still might be true that VSA saved *him*.

 

Want a cookie?

Andre

 

Why? Just because you do?

Hell, I don't even drive my S2000 on the streets at all, except when I'm taking to to and from the track. Sometimes not even then, since I also have a car trailer that I sometimes tow it with instead of driving the car.

Besides that, I actually know where 5/10 and 7/10 and 9/10 are. (Also 11/10 -- a few spins and offs while tracking the car.) Most of the young idiots who are doing "spirited driving" have no real clue about just how close to the edge they are allowing themselves to get, and so don't really know how much they are (or are not) endangering themselves and others.

As I said before, I do thing VSA is an excellent addition to a street car, and if I had it I would not turn it off on the street. But VSA or no VSA is no excuse for driving on the street too close to the limit. Not only do I actually "take it to the track" myself, but I volunteer as an instructor at track schools because I want other people to learn to do that as well. (And besides, it's way more fun than "spirited driving" ever was.)

 

No thanks.

 

Sorry that some of us don't have the luxury of owning a Track prepped and Track only car.

Like I said... want a cookie? I'm happy for you that you are a good driver and that you teach others your skill. But do you think you are someone special to come on here to make accusations and play Mommy to me? You don't know me or my personality because I tell you that if you did, you wouldn't be saying half the things you're saying. You're a rare case in which you have (or seem to have) a lot of track experience, but you know what... you have to remember that 95% of the people on here are not Track Sluts. And this wasn't a case of driver error, this was a case of unpredictable occurances on the road that could cause problems.

Just like you said... you think VSA is a good feature that everyone should have. That sentence you said is the reason I started this post to begin with. I didn't post it to hear... "Well, if you were any good, you wouldn't need it."

Andre

 

Dude, you are the one who is BOASTING about VSA saving your ass. But you accuse others of having attitudes and thinking we are special and whatnot. It was your attitude about this event that has drawn five plus pages of posts, not the event itself.

And yes, you know what, I am special. The same way that anybody who practices something for a long time and works hard on it is special. My grandpa was a very special carpenter. Am I? No, but I didn't do woodworking for 60 years, either. So you can keep your cookies, and your attitude that says if you couldn't have saved the car, then no one could have.

 

Because it did... and I'm not ashamed of telling it like it is. I'm not going to sugar-coat anything and say... "I"m an awesome driver and I wouldn't pulled out of that sh*t with no problem."

I had no attitude here until the Mr. Machos of S2ki decided they needed to start accusations about how I was being reckless (when I really wasn't) and that they don't need any kind of VSA.

People started to attack and I started to defend... and that's that. It is what it is.

I'm done in here.

People... VSA is good... that's all you need to know.

Andre

 

I agree. And it's especially good if you are a shitty driver and/or drive like an idiot. Like the op.

 

Or you get really unlucky. Which does happen.