Stability Control vs No Stability Control Question
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Originally Posted by S2Kage,Apr 13 2009, 10:31 AM
haha jk, but check this link out, this aftermarket traction control is actually pretty cool ive been thinking a bout getting it for some time
http://www.racelogic.co.uk/
http://www.racelogic.co.uk/
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...c=533290&st=75
It doesn't apply the brakes but it does cut the throttle when it senses rear wheel slip. It's adjustable to allow whatever slip angle you want and if you get the electronic control module, you can change the settings while you're driving if condtions change (ex--it starts raining) and it can also be turned totally off.
It works very well on the street (though not as well as the factory unit on the 06+) and cheaper than trading up to a later model if that's the only reason you're thinking of it.
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I like having the option and the off button as well. All cars in the future will continue to have this feature.
Last week, the NHTSA announced its final rules that will require electronic stability control on all light duty vehicles by September, 2011. For once, a new regulation on cars from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has been welcomed by car-makers instead of drawing complaints. This probably has something to do with the fact that pretty much every automaker is already planning to make stability control standard equipment, and can cheer itself on in advertisements for being ahead of the curve.
Ford is already making stability control standard equipment on its SUVs and crossovers, and other companies like General Motors and Toyota have committed to making ESC standard over the next few years. All carmakers agree that stability control is a technology that, unlike airbags and seatbelts, can actually help prevent accidents.
GM's official response to the new regulation can be found after the jump.
[Source: General Motors]
PRESS RELEASE:
GM Statement Regarding the DOT and NHTSA Final Rule on ESC Technology
Today's announcement by the Department of Transportation (DOT) and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) regarding electronic stability control (ESC) implementation is a significant step forward in improving safety for millions of drivers and passengers alike. As shown in studies by NHTSA and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, widespread application of ESC has the potential to help greatly reduce crashes, save lives and prevent serious injuries. Additionally, ESC has been shown to mitigate many driving conditions that lead to rollover crashes.
"With the exception of safety belts, we believe that electronic stability control technology, like GM's StabiliTrak, provides the greatest potential to help protect motor vehicle occupants and help save lives," said Beth Lowery, vice president of Energy, Environment and Safety Policy. "We commend the DOT and NHTSA for making this commitment to protect vehicle occupants."
Since introducing its first vehicle with StabiliTrak Electronic Stability Control in 1997, GM has been an industry leader in implementing the proven life-saving technology. In January 2005, GM committed to have StabiliTrak standard on all retail cars and trucks by the end of 2010.
Last week, the NHTSA announced its final rules that will require electronic stability control on all light duty vehicles by September, 2011. For once, a new regulation on cars from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has been welcomed by car-makers instead of drawing complaints. This probably has something to do with the fact that pretty much every automaker is already planning to make stability control standard equipment, and can cheer itself on in advertisements for being ahead of the curve.
Ford is already making stability control standard equipment on its SUVs and crossovers, and other companies like General Motors and Toyota have committed to making ESC standard over the next few years. All carmakers agree that stability control is a technology that, unlike airbags and seatbelts, can actually help prevent accidents.
GM's official response to the new regulation can be found after the jump.
[Source: General Motors]
PRESS RELEASE:
GM Statement Regarding the DOT and NHTSA Final Rule on ESC Technology
Today's announcement by the Department of Transportation (DOT) and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) regarding electronic stability control (ESC) implementation is a significant step forward in improving safety for millions of drivers and passengers alike. As shown in studies by NHTSA and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, widespread application of ESC has the potential to help greatly reduce crashes, save lives and prevent serious injuries. Additionally, ESC has been shown to mitigate many driving conditions that lead to rollover crashes.
"With the exception of safety belts, we believe that electronic stability control technology, like GM's StabiliTrak, provides the greatest potential to help protect motor vehicle occupants and help save lives," said Beth Lowery, vice president of Energy, Environment and Safety Policy. "We commend the DOT and NHTSA for making this commitment to protect vehicle occupants."
Since introducing its first vehicle with StabiliTrak Electronic Stability Control in 1997, GM has been an industry leader in implementing the proven life-saving technology. In January 2005, GM committed to have StabiliTrak standard on all retail cars and trucks by the end of 2010.
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I don't have it, and am glad I don't. But that is not to say it is not good, and if you have to have it because you are in a newer S, then that is fine, you can after all turn it off if you want it off.
For me I just prefer my toys to not do all the thinking, but that's just me...
For me I just prefer my toys to not do all the thinking, but that's just me...
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Originally Posted by jetboater,Apr 13 2009, 09:48 AM
I have the Race Logic Traction Contro on my 05---there area number of others that have it on "pre-06" cars as well--do a search under "Modification and Parts" forum and you'll find some threads or use this link:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...c=533290&st=75
It doesn't apply the brakes but it does cut the throttle when it senses rear wheel slip. It's adjustable to allow whatever slip angle you want and if you get the electronic control module, you can change the settings while you're driving if condtions change (ex--it starts raining) and it can also be turned totally off.
It works very well on the street (though not as well as the factory unit on the 06+) and cheaper than trading up to a later model if that's the only reason you're thinking of it.
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.ph...c=533290&st=75
It doesn't apply the brakes but it does cut the throttle when it senses rear wheel slip. It's adjustable to allow whatever slip angle you want and if you get the electronic control module, you can change the settings while you're driving if condtions change (ex--it starts raining) and it can also be turned totally off.
It works very well on the street (though not as well as the factory unit on the 06+) and cheaper than trading up to a later model if that's the only reason you're thinking of it.
I like the infinite adjustability of the Racelogic. You can set it to be inactive at lower rpms and change the allowed slip and how aggressive the injector cut is.
We spent a little time working on settings last year and look forward to trying it out when racing in the rain this season.
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Traction control and stability control (VSA) are different things.
Traction control will prevent wheels spinning when there is little to no traction. This is a relatively simple technology, similar to ABS.
Stability control helps keep the direction of the car same as the steering wheel. This is pretty sophisticated technology; constantly monitoring the steering wheel angle (which direction you want to go) and the lateral acceleration of the car (which direction the car is actually moving) and corrects any discrepancies by applying brakes to individual wheels and sometimes by cutting the throttle.
It is VERY difficult to loose control with VSA on; even if you push the limits of stupidity. The rear-end will almost always stay planted.
Please feel free ignore the "My right foot is my VSA" people... I do.
Traction control will prevent wheels spinning when there is little to no traction. This is a relatively simple technology, similar to ABS.
Stability control helps keep the direction of the car same as the steering wheel. This is pretty sophisticated technology; constantly monitoring the steering wheel angle (which direction you want to go) and the lateral acceleration of the car (which direction the car is actually moving) and corrects any discrepancies by applying brakes to individual wheels and sometimes by cutting the throttle.
It is VERY difficult to loose control with VSA on; even if you push the limits of stupidity. The rear-end will almost always stay planted.
Please feel free ignore the "My right foot is my VSA" people... I do.
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I've had a lot of experience teaching people on wet skid pads. It's enlightening to go out with them with stability control turned on, then again with it turned off. All of a sudden they are looping and spinning like mad.
Some of the more sophisticated systems have modes that allow a lot of leeway on the track but still sit back there waiting to save you.
Eventually I think stability systems will be like ABS -- everybody will have them, and they will work well enough that only the crusty old timers will miss the days without them.
Some of the more sophisticated systems have modes that allow a lot of leeway on the track but still sit back there waiting to save you.
Eventually I think stability systems will be like ABS -- everybody will have them, and they will work well enough that only the crusty old timers will miss the days without them.
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Apr 13 2009, 06:13 PM
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Eventually I think stability systems will be like ABS -- everybody will have them, and they will work well enough that only the crusty old timers will miss the days without them.
Eventually I think stability systems will be like ABS -- everybody will have them, and they will work well enough that only the crusty old timers will miss the days without them.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/DOT/N..._FR_03_2007.pdf
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VSA is great in the rain. BUT!! i have a great sorry to tell 
!! well, it was on a s2ki arkansas lunch meet, and we were just driving to one of the member's house to see his project s2k, he is building it from a salvage car, FWIW there is a thread about it, fadiss2k. we were on the way to his house, he was in front and i was behind him. we are about to make this left hand turn he doesn't even brake, he takes it at 40 mph. i'm behind him and i started to brake then i down shift, going 25 mph, thinking, "oh, VSA allows me to slips a little" so i gas it a little thinking thinking im about to over steer a little. NOPE!!!! i see the VSA light (!) and my car goes STRAIGHT!! i understeer right into a curb. let's see, i bent the front passenger: stock, upper and lower control arms, i broke the knuckle. the rim was dragged under the car and was jacked up.
so, the moral of the story, vsa is great but will not correct really bad driver stupidity. next time that shits off!
!! well, it was on a s2ki arkansas lunch meet, and we were just driving to one of the member's house to see his project s2k, he is building it from a salvage car, FWIW there is a thread about it, fadiss2k. we were on the way to his house, he was in front and i was behind him. we are about to make this left hand turn he doesn't even brake, he takes it at 40 mph. i'm behind him and i started to brake then i down shift, going 25 mph, thinking, "oh, VSA allows me to slips a little" so i gas it a little thinking thinking im about to over steer a little. NOPE!!!! i see the VSA light (!) and my car goes STRAIGHT!! i understeer right into a curb. let's see, i bent the front passenger: stock, upper and lower control arms, i broke the knuckle. the rim was dragged under the car and was jacked up.so, the moral of the story, vsa is great but will not correct really bad driver stupidity. next time that shits off!