1. Slow down
2. Slow down... In wet conditions
3. Slow down... and go around the debris
4. Go to a HPDE EVENT OR AN AUTOCROSS EVENT and learn the limits of your car and yourself...

 

Are you really serious? Road fatalities are down over 20% in the past 40 years. Cars are much safer today. There's nothing wrong with progress.

Maybe you should rip out the ABS, airbags, and seat belts in your car too.

 

With a massive 150 lbs of torque at the flywheel you won't need tc unless you've got a lead foot.

 

Rob Rob Rob.

 

The reduction in deaths has been due to improvements with things like airbags, seat belts, crumple zone and the removal of deadly items inside the cabin, with things like collapsible steering columns and 'softer' interior dashes. This is generally referred to as the survivability of a vehicle upon impact.

Traction control, not to be confused with vehicle stability is a 'user assist' not a 'life safer' please don't make this a honda tech, ignorant discussion. Go do your research.

Also re-read what I said. I never said deaths aren't on the decline.

ABS there is an interesting debate on this one. When ABS first caused pedal vibration, many ignorant drivers got off the pedals. The short term effect was near zero change in crash ratings. I do believe ABS is a safety feature, that isn't required if you know how to drive. Threshold braking, which was how I was taught to brake allows a reasonable driver to reach the limit of grip. However even with ABS, stopping physical distance increases. Same car without abs will stop in a shorter physical distance. Time and vehicle control are big factors. ABS does take a bad driver and make them marginally better. But the big improvements are not actually in ABS itself, but what, when combined with another system allows the car to control the brakes in a 'vehicle stability system' ABS on it's own does little, but a stability system working together with what ABS allows for saved lives.

This nicely and shortly summarizes my research on ABS -http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2006/08/killer-abs-abs-braking-increases-rollover-risk-by-51/ (I did not write this).

Please again, go do some research before you come here all half cocked on silliness. Traction control has no sizable safety rating or any research to suggest it saves lives.

Edit/ don't just take my word on ABS read it from IIHS - http://www.iihs.org/research/advisor...dvisory_17.pdf

 

Rob Rob Rob.
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Bring some intelligence to discussions.

 

The post that mentioned ABS braking distance is increased over non-ABS on dry pavement is essentially correct. Drivers needed to learn how to use ABS by stomping on the brake pedal, instead of the older method we might have learned, to pump the brakes. ABS pumps the brakes at a much faster rate than any human can.

What this allows the driver to do is to be able to steer the vehicle to avoid the accident ahead. ABS gives you steering control, which you lost with brakes locking up on non-ABS systems.

 

My 260Z doesn't have TCS, VSA, ABS, TPMS, GPS or air bags for that matter. There are some pedals and a steering wheel. Makes you pay attention.

 

It's federally mandated.../thread

 

130k miles of driving this S with only one spin-out about 3 months into ownership due to worn out tires.
Other than that, no drama.